worcej wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:49 pm
Why are you running me up suddenly after D1/N1?
Because I think you're scum. I thought it was plausible during D1/N1, but I also found your defense plausible. Now, well, my suspect pool has shrunk a bit and you happen to make for an excellent team with Bancroft.
How am I PR hunting by listing it out who I think doctor is? The point I was trying to ultimately make kept being ignored by you and you're slapping me with only the scum reads.
You are PR hunting by shrinking the pool of possible doctors, and publicly stating who you think is the doctor, well in advance of EoD.
You yourself have already said that teacher2 is obv!town in post #409, why are you coming after me because I am agreeing with you and going with that at the start of my posts? You provided no context as to why he is obv!town in your post, so why throw shade here and expect me to not comment that back at you.
I never scumread you for saying that teacher2 is town. I questioned your line of reasoning, because it was confusing.
What are your reads right now phil? You're being very reactionary to posts and it's coming off as 'tying the noose' around others to hang them without putting forward any arguments on your end. To me, that's a pretty good job lurking - ask all the questions and no one pushing back on you.
My current top scumteam is you and Bancroft. I think DrCJG and sheep are highly likely to be town. xy4 and yavuz I'm uncertain on. I'm going to try to give more detailed reads tomorrow.
Why are you giving me crap for being a noob and being 'comically obvious'? Your last post comparing me to teacher2 and how he's better at this game is kind of a dick move. Yeah, I am not as good as him and this is my first mafia game, but this again continues the obvious negatively you are throwing my way on D2.
Sorry, what I meant is that you had been given a fairly clear procedure to follow (teacher2 made what he was doing explicit, including the part about it being a pre-written post that was only publicized later. I didn't intend to be mean, but I see I was, and that's uncalled for.
I think going for obv!town that early in the game is silly. Is it possible? Yes, I am not dismissing that, but going for non-obv town can be helpful too.
See this is what I meant with WIFOM. You decide to limit your search to teacher2's N1 scumreads on the grounds that teacher2 was killed because he was onto scum on the grounds that scum wouldn't want to kill an obv!town just for being obv!town. It's not that it's WIFOM, it's that your WIFOM is inconsistent and arbitrary (and seems to benefit Bancroft).
My point was that I doubt teacher2 falseclaimed his doctor save. If he is mafia, then the PR immediately knows that's fake. No one has even moved teacher2 from obv!town to null other than Bancroft and I think if he goes and is the PR, then the teacher2 mafia theory becomes much more possible. But with the facts present, I am inclined to believe teacher2 is obv!town.
I never suggested otherwise? I was interrogating your reasoning, which appears to now be different from what it was before. Where did the 50/50 shot part come from?
Using the same WIFOM argument logic you're constantly using on me, it's just as possible sheep knows that we'd think he would avoid his mafia target, so he got more passionate directly at that person. This is why I think it's stupid to just grill people on the WIFOM - it's not that we don't know it exists, it's just we are choosing to go the other way based on assumptions we've made so far in the game.
You determine your lynch targets with pure WIFOM. I say that's bad. You think if sheep is mafia, then his buddy is one of the people he's trying to get lynched instead of himself. You defend that reasoning with WIFOM.
You argue my conclusions make no logical sense seems forced and with little warrant because you're cherry picking what to comment on and trying to frame me without going towards the argument.
Sometimes when I ask you a question it's not as evidence you're scum. Sometimes it's just a question.
Other than taking selective phrases out of my posts, take a moment and read the whole theory. I stated I believe we have a doctor and mafia 'screwed up' N1, thus teacher2 is confirmed town, went down why would they go after him (must be his reads), added the WIFOM condition of scum teacher2 but dismissed it and gave my reasons, added the noob doctor because I do believe that to be the case, thus I am concerned of a Bancroft wagon, and went with my continued scum read on sheep/xy4, but decided to test my theory by voting for xy4 instead of sheep.
It's the assumption that the reason to go after teacher2 that's WIFOM. Scum teacher2 is not WIFOM, because teacher2 made a concrete, falsifiable claim, one which we have consensus should be counterclaimed if it is false. Since it has not been counterclaimed, it is as close to confirmed as humanly possible.
So I'll say screw my previous reads, phil you're wagoning me hard and I think it's intentional to distract the rest of the town. I am going with ##vote phil, because you're apparent change from D1 to D2 seems forceful and an attempt to run a towny into the ground to make up for the slip on N1. Go ahead and start defending phil, you're turn on the hot seat.
I'm curious, who are likely partners for me?