M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[xorxes]

Is Ezio the Janitor then, or the Hooker? To think I could have been defending my target D1... Although when I started suspecting him as the Vengeful I was also not happy I had defended him.

So if Squigs had targetted Ezio like I asked him to, he would have killed me. Instead, they sends Ezio to kill... dargo? bozo? and they roleblock me, which comes back to them. Serves them right, I say.

Wait, he can't be the Hooker, or that would break down the spacetime continuum. If the hooker roleblocks themselves via swap, they roleblock their roleblocking power, so they would not roleblock anyone, but then if they were not roleblocked they can roleblock, but then...

##CALL GM: What happens if the Hooker roleblocks the person they are swapped with? I want a logical explanation please, no ad-hoccery.

Driver comes before RB, and RB before NK, so I assume he could RB his own NK.

But why would he not roleblock his roleblock?

[xorxes]

I know why nobody wants to admit to being the Vengeful, not even the real Vengeful. They're afraid that I will still be targetting them somehow.

[bozotheclown]

Wait, he can't be the Hooker, or that would break down the spacetime continuum. If the hooker roleblocks themselves via swap, they roleblock their roleblocking power, so they would not roleblock anyone, but then if they were not roleblocked they can roleblock, but then...

##CALL GM: What happens if the Hooker roleblocks the person they are swapped with? I want a logical explanation please, no ad-hoccery.

Driver comes before RB, and RB before NK, so I assume he could RB his own NK.

But why would he not roleblock his roleblock?

I suppose by the time the RB got back to him, it was too late.

[xorxes]

So it looks like it's Prado/Ezio/Ike, one Vengeful, one Janitor, one Hooker.

Let's lynch one of them now and prove they're the Vengeful by killing the Janitor in revenge.

[Vecna]

Vecna may get his win due to Bunny and myself, for we did spread infections around for him.

With the current infector rule, it doesn't really matter. We might as well all chip in and help him or whoever the Infector is win.

laaaaame

I actually wish id win alone. This shit aint easy to pull off

[e.m.c^42]

Wait, he can't be the Hooker, or that would break down the spacetime continuum. If the hooker roleblocks themselves via swap, they roleblock their roleblocking power, so they would not roleblock anyone, but then if they were not roleblocked they can roleblock, but then...

##CALL GM: What happens if the Hooker roleblocks the person they are swapped with? I want a logical explanation please, no ad-hoccery.

##GM Note

You are absolutely correct, the universe would implode upon itself from the paradox and the game would end as the world no longer exists.

In other words, nothing noticeable would happen, except for a mildly interesting flavour post in the mafia chat or god thread.

[bozotheclown]

So it looks like it's Prado/Ezio/Ike, one Vengeful, one Janitor, one Hooker.

Let's lynch one of them now and prove they're the Vengeful by killing the Janitor in revenge.

We can do that D5 if we get Vengeful CCs.

[Vecna]

Forgot Squigs:

1. xorxes
2. Vecna
3. Squigs
4. Ike
5. TrPrado
6. Ezio

I would have gone with:
1. xorxes
2. Squigs
Who cares, but not Vecna 3rd.
We don't need to lynch Vecna. Not now at least.

I would agree. If nobody counteclaims him, then don't lynch him until real Infector flips. There's no point lynching the real Infector with the new rule. The only fear is that the rule might change again. Thetre may be a hidden rule that on even days game ends if everyone is infected, but on odd days game continues.

I mean, Rdrivera already confirmed im the infector. But hey, im probably scum with him, right?

Actually thats a juicy proposition. Scum should cc both tracker and infector. Bring it on.

[Vecna]

I think that is the likely explanation, and the mafia may have RBed xorxes anyway.

If I was roleblocked, it went to someone else, because I was swapped with someone. And my shot went through.

Then dargorygel probably drove the RB to the mafia performing the NK, assuming the NK can be RBed. Or, the mafia really did target Vapor also.

Or you know, he just drove himself and Xorxes, and got roleblocked, but the roleblock didnt do shit because driver is before roleblock in the priority queue?

[Vecna]

He means Tracker, but he's being cagey, so it doesn't look good.

Also, I thought he was tracker when I thought he tried to track the Commuter N1 and didn't find him, but that theory is gone out the window now.

Kitsune can verify him if he would answer my question and give all of his results.

I tracked Prado on D1 and he didn't visit anyone, so he can't be the Janitor (still can be Hooker if he didn't use it). Kit can verify this and I crumbled it pretty obviously because Tracker is the most easily counterclaimable role.

I tracked Vecna N3 and he visited Worcej.

I will not disclose my N2 visit yet.

Cool, with this information I actually have the game solved

[bozotheclown]

Wait, he can't be the Hooker, or that would break down the spacetime continuum. If the hooker roleblocks themselves via swap, they roleblock their roleblocking power, so they would not roleblock anyone, but then if they were not roleblocked they can roleblock, but then...

##CALL GM: What happens if the Hooker roleblocks the person they are swapped with? I want a logical explanation please, no ad-hoccery.

##GM Note

You are absolutely correct, the universe would implode upon itself from the paradox and the game would end as the world no longer exists.

In other words, nothing noticeable would happen, except for a mildly interesting flavour post in the mafia chat or god thread.

##CALL GM

Are you saying that if the hooker roleblocks the person he is swapped with and attempts the night kill that the night kill would still succeed?

[Vecna]

well I agree with worcej about everything:

1) Bozo is a tool and gets LVP
2) Massclaiming is no fun, even if it works

Not sure what else he said, but he was right about that too. Anything he said, I was here nodding at my computer.

Town does not have as much margin as everyone seems to think, I believe resolving the claims today was important.

But youre still proposing to lynch me!

[Vecna]

dargo should reveal who he swapped me with. That would shed light on what happened with the roleblock/potential second kill.

You really are bad at this

[Chaqa]

Wait, he can't be the Hooker, or that would break down the spacetime continuum. If the hooker roleblocks themselves via swap, they roleblock their roleblocking power, so they would not roleblock anyone, but then if they were not roleblocked they can roleblock, but then...

##CALL GM: What happens if the Hooker roleblocks the person they are swapped with? I want a logical explanation please, no ad-hoccery.

##GM Note

You are absolutely correct, the universe would implode upon itself from the paradox and the game would end as the world no longer exists.

In other words, nothing noticeable would happen, except for a mildly interesting flavour post in the mafia chat or god thread.

##CALL GM

Are you saying that if the hooker roleblocks the person he is swapped with and attempts the night kill that the night kill would still succeed?

##GM Note:
If Player A and the Hooker are swapped by the Driver, and the Hooker was targeting Player A, and the Hooker were also delivering the nightkill, the result would be that the Hooker would deliver the nightkill. Since it's a factional ability it cannot be roleblocked.

[Vecna]

dargo seems to have messed with every single one of the Mafia's kills this game.

N1: Killed damo instead of myself
N2: Killed Temasek instead of Kits.
N3: Prevented them from roleblocking me, thus allowing me to kill Vapor, while at the same time roleblocking their kill of ????

This technically also could be what happened with my info

[Vecna]

I tracked Prado on D1 and he didn't visit anyone, so he can't be the Janitor (still can be Hooker if he didn't use it). Kit can verify this and I crumbled it pretty obviously because Tracker is the most easily counterclaimable role.

I tracked Vecna N3 and he visited Worcej.

I will not disclose my N2 visit yet.

Believable. So I was right that you tracked Prado, but wrong on what result you got. Nobody claimed roleblocked N1 or ever, so he could be the Hooker, but he could still be Vengeful as well. Nobody wants to claim it...

My guess is TrPrado is Hooker and Ike is Janitor.

-wrong-

[xorxes]

I would have gone with:
1. xorxes
2. Squigs
Who cares, but not Vecna 3rd.
We don't need to lynch Vecna. Not now at least.

I would agree. If nobody counteclaims him, then don't lynch him until real Infector flips. There's no point lynching the real Infector with the new rule. The only fear is that the rule might change again. Thetre may be a hidden rule that on even days game ends if everyone is infected, but on odd days game continues.

I mean, Rdrivera already confirmed im the infector. But hey, im probably scum with him, right?

Actually thats a juicy proposition. Scum should cc both tracker and infector. Bring it on.

That's why those three need to claim something.

[Vecna]

##GM Note

You are absolutely correct, the universe would implode upon itself from the paradox and the game would end as the world no longer exists.

In other words, nothing noticeable would happen, except for a mildly interesting flavour post in the mafia chat or god thread.

##CALL GM

Are you saying that if the hooker roleblocks the person he is swapped with and attempts the night kill that the night kill would still succeed?

##GM Note:
If Player A and the Hooker are swapped by the Driver, and the Hooker was targeting Player A, and the Hooker were also delivering the nightkill, the result would be that the Hooker would deliver the nightkill. Since it's a factional ability it cannot be roleblocked.

lol, factional kills not being roleblockable?

This game sure is breaking all conventional mafia conventions.

[xorxes]

dargo should reveal who he swapped me with. That would shed light on what happened with the roleblock/potential second kill.

You really are bad at this

At what?

[Vecna]

nah never mind that.