MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I think emc’s bot-was-down excuse is some buster shit tbh. He knew ghug and Bona were major wagons. Even if he didn’t have up to the minute info, he knew enough to place an informed vote between them and instead stayed on a wagon he knew was DOA.

I think he’s mafia who had no idea what was going on between his teammates ghug and brainbomb and froze up.

I concur with this theory
(and not just because he left his shitty vote on me).

[Donny Dude]

A very quick read of emc's iso does reveal a lot of ghug jokes. Which could mean comfortableness with a scummate. Not much on brain except town d2. Also flipflopped from wanting more info on ghug saying he is slight town to going for jamiet.

[celaph]

CALLED SHOT: ghug, brainbomb, Fluminator, rdrivera2005, e.m.c^42

Makes sense to me.
Celeph, if you were around at eod, would you have kept your vote, or to whom would you have moved it to and why?

I definitely would have voted for one of the main wagons, not emc. I think I would have voted ghug, but I don't trust my ability to give you an answer not biased by the flip so I don't think you should trust that answer either. What I can say honestly is that I didn't love either wagon, but I didn't hate them.

[e.m.c^42]

I think emc’s bot-was-down excuse is some buster shit tbh. He knew ghug and Bona were major wagons. Even if he didn’t have up to the minute info, he knew enough to place an informed vote between them and instead stayed on a wagon he knew was DOA.

I think he’s mafia who had no idea what was going on between his teammates ghug and brainbomb and froze up.

Of course I stayed, didn't want to accidentally tie, and knowing me I probably would've switched to Bona anyway so hindsight says it's better that I didn't lol.

[Donny Dude]

CALLED SHOT: ghug, brainbomb, Fluminator, rdrivera2005, e.m.c^42

Makes sense to me.
Celeph, if you were around at eod, would you have kept your vote, or to whom would you have moved it to and why?

I definitely would have voted for one of the main wagons, not emc. I think I would have voted ghug, but I don't trust my ability to give you an answer not biased by the flip so I don't think you should trust that answer either. What I can say honestly is that I didn't love either wagon, but I didn't hate them.

Thank you. So you would say you were neutral on both wagons?

[e.m.c^42]

I think emc’s bot-was-down excuse is some buster shit tbh. He knew ghug and Bona were major wagons. Even if he didn’t have up to the minute info, he knew enough to place an informed vote between them and instead stayed on a wagon he knew was DOA.

I think he’s mafia who had no idea what was going on between his teammates ghug and brainbomb and froze up.

I concur with this theory
(and not just because he left his shitty vote on me).

Lmao, are you really scumreading me right after I say "Jamie isn't scumreading me enough for being town!Jamie"?

[Donny Dude]

I think emc’s bot-was-down excuse is some buster shit tbh. He knew ghug and Bona were major wagons. Even if he didn’t have up to the minute info, he knew enough to place an informed vote between them and instead stayed on a wagon he knew was DOA.

I think he’s mafia who had no idea what was going on between his teammates ghug and brainbomb and froze up.

Of course I stayed, didn't want to accidentally tie, and knowing me I probably would've switched to Bona anyway so hindsight says it's better that I didn't lol.

I don't know if I buy this considering 25 minutes before eod according to bot you wrote "Not townread but still town-sided on this half of null, enough that I'd prefer another at the moment. I think other people are reading his excessive self-aware posts as scummy whereas I sort of see it as a towny thing to do, especially as a newish player." As a response to aaro asking about bona.
Emc, what information did you acquire from Ghug when you voted for him D2 ad then moved on to Jamiet?

[President Eden]

emc is like a Day 5 shot at best after brainbomb and Fluminator so I'm not overly worried. I'm sure we'll get a treasure trove of good info by then.

It bothers me that emc is only really around when we say his name and accuse him of being mafia though.

[Donny Dude]

Emc, where did you go?

[aarodactyl]

Emc, where did you go?

They're probably sending tom a lot of messages to post in the god QT so they can let their dad know how much they miss him.

[e.m.c^42]

emc is like a Day 5 shot at best after brainbomb and Fluminator so I'm not overly worried. I'm sure we'll get a treasure trove of good info by then.

It bothers me that emc is only really around when we say his name and accuse him of being mafia though.

I don't really have much else to say right now though. Unfortunately still townlean brain on gut but don't have a solid reason, so it's probably wrong, and y'all hard scum him lmao

[e.m.c^42]

Emc, where did you go?

Still here but will be slow since am actively writing elsewhere, there's something I need to finish by tonight.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think emc’s bot-was-down excuse is some buster shit tbh. He knew ghug and Bona were major wagons. Even if he didn’t have up to the minute info, he knew enough to place an informed vote between them and instead stayed on a wagon he knew was DOA.

I think he’s mafia who had no idea what was going on between his teammates ghug and brainbomb and froze up.

I concur with this theory
(and not just because he left his shitty vote on me).

Lmao, are you really scumreading me right after I say "Jamie isn't scumreading me enough for being town!Jamie"?

Temporally, yes.
Contextually, no.

[celaph]

Makes sense to me.
Celeph, if you were around at eod, would you have kept your vote, or to whom would you have moved it to and why?

I definitely would have voted for one of the main wagons, not emc. I think I would have voted ghug, but I don't trust my ability to give you an answer not biased by the flip so I don't think you should trust that answer either. What I can say honestly is that I didn't love either wagon, but I didn't hate them.

Thank you. So you would say you were neutral on both wagons?

Neutral feels like a more passive term than I would use, but not wrong enough that I'll contest it.

[Vecna]

I see Vecna has admitted his roleblock claim was fake. I don't necessarily scumread him for that. Standard Vecna stuff.

Talk me through your thought process throughout all this stuff.

You've been focussing pretty much only on that claim ever since it happened.

First you claimed you'd only see it as town actually being RB'd, or scum

Where did I say any such thing? I don't remember "claiming" that at all. Also the idea that I have been "focussing pretty much only" on your fake roleblock claim is utter horse manure. It's only your inflated ego making you think that. I mentioned it, sure, but I spent a lot more of D2 successfully leading town to victory against the despicable Ghug.

People should search your iso for all your posts trying to draw attention towards it.

Especially those around EoD when 2 scum were up for chops and where you were trying to draw attention towards me.

[Vecna]

A 8-7 vote on the roleblocker with last minute swings?

Seems more likely than bussing ghug on Day 2.

This is the exact idiotic logic you used last game to say that nobody would bus teacon D1, when two people bussed teacon D1.

yeah, except Teacon didn't actually get flipped.

I don't consider it "bussing" unless the person is actually DK'd

Holy crap, what a scumbojumbo post

[Jamiet99uk]

Talk me through your thought process throughout all this stuff.

You've been focussing pretty much only on that claim ever since it happened.

First you claimed you'd only see it as town actually being RB'd, or scum

Where did I say any such thing? I don't remember "claiming" that at all. Also the idea that I have been "focussing pretty much only" on your fake roleblock claim is utter horse manure. It's only your inflated ego making you think that. I mentioned it, sure, but I spent a lot more of D2 successfully leading town to victory against the despicable Ghug.

People should search your iso for all your posts trying to draw attention towards it.

Especially those around EoD when 2 scum were up for chops and where you were trying to draw attention towards me.

People should see that I challenged you to show where I claimed I could only see your RB claim as "town actually being RB'd, or scum" as you have alleged, and that you are unable to do so.

[Jamiet99uk]

Especially those around EoD when 2 scum were up for chops and where you were trying to draw attention towards me.

This in particular is absolute fucking nonsense.

I only mentioned it all, anywhere near EoD, because BunnyGo was specifically asking about it.

Why are you suddenly lying about me Vecna?

[Vecna]

It's pretty much just getting consensus out there from more people. The cop is effectively outed due to brainbomb's shenanigans anyway. We got lucky that ghuggles was the Roleblocker. As long as the Doctor stays hidden, the Cop is essentially free to run amok.

DOCTOR

You are the DOCTOR. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may visit a player by PM'ing the GM with the order ##SAVE <NAME>. At the end of the night, if they have been targeted by the mafia you will save their life. You will know if you successfully performed a save. Your target will be notified only if they have been successfully saved. You may visit yourself. You may not visit the same player on consecutive nights. You win when all of the Mafia have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

It doesn't matter how well the doctor stays hidden. They can't perma-save the cop.

There's a bit of WIFOM involved. The Doctor may choose to not save the cop tonight in order to save him tomorrow. Best if we don't discuss it.

Its not a problem for scum to waste a kill to confirm whether the cop was docsaved.

It is a problem for town if the doc wifoms and we miss our copscan.

Bad advice is bad and scummy

[worcej]

But FWIW, at least now you're starting to use my actual behavior for content.

Then worcej voted for ghug all D2, without ever pushing for ghug to be the DK.

This is not true. Here is my vote:

Also, ##vote ghug

Eden made the point, just agreeing with it via my vote.

Which was because Eden made a long-winded post regarding ghug that was my same opinion.

Reading this leads me to invalidate any portion of your ND concern on my case - if it was a driving factor, it should not matter who filled the slot.

This was me pushing on him for his voting reasons - it was curious how his position on if to flip my slot or not would be dependent on people. If ND was scum, as he was portraying, why would he be inconsistent with applying his vote?

That was D1 that, we are now on D2 and he expressed similar laziness. That's the beef I have with it.

This was me disagreeing with celaph's opinion on ghug and pointing out the flaw in his (celaph's) logic to not flip ghug.

Also of note: celaph is in the 'suspect for trying to protect ghug' group.

No - but that rabbit hole is a definite town!Jamie move, so I town him like Eden is.

In general, you’re just here to me. This is a concern in that I expect more pot stirring and action, but really you’re just on the defense.

This was me specifically saying why I suspected ghug.

So... how did I not push for his DK exactly?

OK, but those read like very weak pushes, and it is very likely someone was bussing ghug.

I don’t disagree that ghug was for sure bussed, but I had all the time in the world to move off him and didn’t because I legit scumread him.

Do you think I would bus and not move when people were making Bona happen? If I was scum, bussing ghug wasn’t going to improve my position on needing to be flipped because a majority of the case is dependent on ND’s behavior. Then, it gets worse becAuse ghug was lazy-voting my slot on D1, which draws it’s own level of skepticism on my alignment.

Simply put - if I was scum with ghug, I would not have bussed him in any way due to how tied together our slots are.