Bionic - [M5][B5][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M5][B5][J5]
yavu - [M7][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B5][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3]
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M2][B5][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B5][J5]
Vecna - [M5][B5][J5]
xorxes - [M2][B5][J3]
I'll have a few trains of thought going here: the Frost wagon, the ND/Chaqa back-forth (and what if any info we can gleam from it), and various other oddities.
The Frost wagon is started by Temasek and RHK, although RHK is the one who sticks with it without change. ND then comes out with his Jekyll claim, sparking the mess that will soak up most of Day 2. An early interesting post:
CmdrLikely wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:37 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:36 pm
LOL
I can’t say for sure how many, but I absorbed at least one attack with my self-save. This is a great game.
you can doctor yourself?
This comes *after* I claim self-save but *before* ND claims. Cmdr's reaction here seems very genuine, and
I'm giving him M-2 and B-2 since I think if he were on a non-town faction with teammates he wouldn't have reacted this way. Shortly thereafter, ND comes in with his "I ATE THE ROLEBLOCK AND KILL" - but hasn't yet explicitly claimed Jekyll.
We have an interesting post from rivera here:
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:15 am
Finally catch up after being away most of the da. Really interesting night result, if ND is telling the truth he really deserves the town MVP.
Tom, if I were Bob partner I would have bussed him hard, but this is pure WIFOM. I would have voted him at EOD because I didn't have a scumread on Vapor, but I wasn't online and it's just speculation.
I take this as a slight hint that maybe Bob's other partner *didn't* bus him hard.
I'll give xorxes an M-1 just for this.
Bionic - [M5][B5][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M7][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B5][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3]
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M2][B5][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B5][J5]
Vecna - [M5][B5][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
BionicMole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:36 am
xorxes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:18 am
Chaqa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:03 am
lol, ##Vote ND
I don't believe any of this, and tbh I think getting rid of him as a policy lynch due to his awfulness is worth it.
He is either the commuter, or the doctor saved him, or he is lying.
Real Commuter won't counterclaim him yet, Doctor won't confirm whether he saved him or not yet, but if he is lying the truth will surface sooner rather than later, so I don't think this is a good reason to lynch him.
If he is the commuter would he know any of these things would happen to him since he would be commuting?
Adjudication Order:
1. Commuting actions
2. Roleblocking actions
3. Investigative actions
4. Grave robbery
5. Killing actions
6. Healing actions
##CALL GM Would the commuter know 2 through 6 happen to him if he is commuting?
Interesting post from Bionic - just want to mark down he seems to have been thinking hard on mechanics at a point when scum would be more wondering what happened than town (who likely were just happy no kills happened).
What's interesting about the whole time when the ND/Chaqa back-and-forth is going, is the people discussing it are mostly town-ish. It's mainly Tom, xorx, ND, me, Bunny, Demon... so far at least (around page 50). Let's see how this continues.
Interesting post from Bionic:
BionicMole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:07 am
-- snipped --
So this is the Dr. Jekyll post whereas your last ones were Mr. Hyde?
I haven't felt great about Chaqa's claim since it happened. Gun to my head, I would tend to believe ND's claim
A quick retreat of Day 1 does in fact support Bionic not liking my claim. Consistency is good, I suppose. Marked for later.
KalelChase wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:21 am
Wow... My spreadsheet might be broken now. A lot of the input D2 has been around a single topic that makes a lot of 'noise', however it might make it easier to filter out in ISOs.
I can't make heads or tails of ND/Chaq situation. I wish Jamie could put on his Ironman suit and shoot both of them.
So Tuesday night I'm going to ISO my other 3 scum; RDR, Damo and Vapor/Tom B. and see how they stack up against each other before EoD. (Frost is on the list but I've been giving newbie cushion). If they've pointed up heavily on town then I'll have to choose between the two doc-claims.
Am I the only one who really doesn't understand what/how the Kalel spreadsheet is/does? Regardless - let's check back later to see if he did these ISOs.
Around this time I also see the beginnings of Flavius's determined drive on me for "not leading the town". I think this is a good sign for Flavius. I won't quote all the specific posts, but on page 56, Bozo spends a lot of time trying to figure out who is the real Jekyll, and winds up voting for me. Not sure if it's relevant, really.
I retract my claim with 32 hours left in the Day on page 59. This begins the Frostwind portion of the day. Looking back, the wagon at the time looked like:
Chaqa (11): Bozo, damo, dargo, Kit, ND, purple, rivera, Tem, Tom, Vecna, xorx
ND (4): Chaqa, Cmdr, Frost, ItsHosuke
Bunny was on xorxes, RHK is on frostwind, Flavius is on bo.
Bionic, Bo_sox (yavu), EMC, and Kalel had yet to vote.
Overall... yeah, I don't think this entire thing was helpful to town. Maybe if I handled it better or if ND's reveal had worked out a bit different or he had played into it, but it just was kinda a bust. What *is* interesting to me specifically, and to everyone else once I die -
I'm town. I had 11 votes on me. So, what caused the shift to Frostwind, and why did it happen? Scum wouldn't care - they'd be lynching someone not on their team either way. BUT I suppose my VT claim could have given scum no reason to prioritize lynching me over Frostwind though. So perhaps scum would be more likely to vote for Frostwind.
But a bunch of people unvoted immediately. Dargo unvoted and moved to Frostwind. This is a huge +town for me for dargo to the point
I'm giving him B-3. I'd drop him down in M but no one goes below a 1.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:15 pm
-- snipped --
ND's claim, Vecna didn't claim anything as far as I know.
You have a point on Mafia already knowing who were lying, at least 3 of them.
##unvote
This is an interesting post from rivera that in retrospect is probably a scumslip. I wonder if this implies that one of the scum teams did in fact target RHK or something else odd like that. ALSO interesting he says "at least 3 of them" - does this mean Team Moriarty is the one who *DIDNT* target ND? I wonder...
Shortly after ND unvotes, Temasek and Bionic do as well. I find it very interesting. If they were scum, they'd have little reason to change votes here. At this point ND jumps back on, Hosuke jumps off ND to Frostwind, and Bunny bounces around a bit.
At this point, it's 8-5 Frostwind with some various others:
Chaqa (8): Bozo, Cmdr, Frost, Kit, ND, Tom, Vecna, xorxes
Frost (5): damo, dargo, DemonRHK, ItsHosuke, rdrivera
EMC (1): Bunny
bo_sox (1): Flavius
Unvote (4): Bionic, Chaqa, purple, Temasek
No vote (3): bo_sox, EMC, Kalel
So, if you're scum with an 8-5 moment at the time. You're pretty sure I'm just a lowly VT, knowing that I wasn't targeted for kill and there was no deaths, so ND is telling the truth. Given this - you want to lynch someone who is either:
1. on the other scum team OR
2. a town PR or Jack
I think this is what precipitates the shift over to Frostwind we see starting with rivera (one scum already following the strategy!) Let's see how the dominoes fall:
Next, both Temasek and Kalel vote for Frost. Tom swaps from me to RDR (his guilty scan), tying it up at 7-7. Bunny votes for Frost, then I do (self-preservation and all). It's now 9-6 after Frostwind unvotes... which was odd.
Bozo and Purple pile onto Frost.
Bionic votes for me. - normally I'd say because he doesn't want association with a town lynch, but with multiple scum teams, this doesn't work. His reasoning is stated as:
For now I will put my vote back on chaqa because I didnt like the Jekyll claim since it happened
This... totally fits, actually. I'm beginning to come around on Bionic. Tom tries to get a Temasek wagon going, not liking the Frost pile-on. He is joined by Vecna, though neither provides reasoning. Xorxes, ND, and Frosrtwind also pile on. This is very interesting - we have a pretty sizable amount of respected players, two clears included, and Frostwind, on Temasek - and no one really brings it up later.
ND and Vecna bounce off the wagon, but Vecna's reasoning is interesting:
Vecna wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:53 pm
##vote Frost
Yeah I was just trying to shake the tree to see what would fall through.
Really nothing interesting came off of it though
Nothing else interesting really happens except EMC showing up at the 11th hour, voting Frost, then shifting to bo_sox for some reason. I didn't really give out too many points yet.
I find Vecna's post to be pretty town. He is trying to prod for any potential teammates Temasek has out there. This isn't something he would do if they were scum together, which eliminates Vecna as a Burke teammate with Temasek.
I'll give Vecna B-1 for this. Additionally, I'm giving Bionic a general
M-1, B-1 for his logical consistency.
Bionic - [M4][B4][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M7][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B2][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3]
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M2][B5][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B5][J5]
Vecna - [M5][B4][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
End of Day 2. More to follow.