M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vecna: Would you remind us your read on BunnyGo, please? As much detail as you like.

[Vecna]

townleaning him, but not certain

[Jamiet99uk]

townleaning him, but not certain

Such detail.
Any particular reasons?
Talk me through your thought process.

[damo666]

@Damo: You imply that you don't think Kgray and Chaqa can be scum together. Is there a reason for thinking that?

Only the way they are scumreading each other. It could be theatrics.

[damo666]

With particular reference to this EON, the UK goes into lockdown at midnight, for a month, and therefore tonight I most definitely will be in the pub.

Anyone wanna scumread me for this statement? Go ahead.

I also am having a pub day due to forthcoming lockdown so will not be around EON.

My current thinking on the scumteam is something like Seth ghug one of rdr/darg* and one of kgray/Chaqa.

I townread Jamie and townlean Macca. Bunny and Vecna are null. I assume Maniac is town.

Seth is my strongest suspect. It could easily be Bunny or Vecna rather than ghug.

* I actually townread both these slots but I think it highly probable scum would have bought at least one of these roles. Forced to choose I would say rdr more likely to be the culprit.

so you have 1.5 townreads and are fine lynching the rest of the game?

3.5

[Jamiet99uk]

Re-reading the events of Bo_Sox's life in this game, the following things stand out to me. My comments / observations are coloured in.

1. On D1 he gave BunnyGo a lot of pressure for worrying about Vecna's absence when various other people also had absences. Bo_Sox rightly pointed out to BunnyGo that he, Bo, had been absent for a considerable part of D1 without this causing Bunny any anxiety, whereas BunnyGo had expressed concern about Vecna's absence multiple times as EoD approached. After some pressure from Bo on this point, Bunny says he would hypothetically be concerned for the well-being of anyone who didn't post for 11+ hours. I note that there were several people absent for long periods on D2 and yet BunnyGo expressed no anxiety about them.

2. On N1 Bo suggested that if either myself or Teacon were scum, then D1 would implicate Kgray as likely scum too. (We now know that Teacon was town, and I know I am town also). Ghug disagrees with this and defends Kgray, saying she's unlikely scum with me - and note that I was one of Ghug's top scumreads at this point, so this implies Kgray is not scum. (page 62).

3. During D2 Bo_Sox pressured Seth heavily and announced a strong townread on Hamilton. Also during D2 he implied Ghug's push on him was fake.

4. On N2 Bo questioned Maniac and advocated for people to commit to voting Maniac on D3.

Lo and behold Maniac proceeded to orchestrate a D3 in which he demanded votes in a small pool which included Bo, and Bo was killed.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Vecna and BunnyGo could be scum together. Bunny was very agitated by Vecna's absence at EoD1, and Vecna just now gave a very watery response to my question about his read on Bunny, especially since I asked for detail, of which he provided none.

I need to ISO them both to verify this suspicion.

[Chaqa]

Did the color-code thing. I put Maniac in a light green because it seems unlikely he is scum, but he's not conftown.

Day 1:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99u​k, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug​ (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

Day 2:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Day 3:
bo_sox48 (7) rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo6​66, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, ghug
seth24c (4) BunnyGo, da​rgorygel, Chaqa, The Double Vote
Maniac (2) Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
kgray (1) Vecna

[damo666]

Did the color-code thing. I put Maniac in a light green because it seems unlikely he is scum, but he's not conftown.

Day 1:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99u​k, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug​ (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

Day 2:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Day 3:
bo_sox48 (7) rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo6​66, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, ghug
seth24c (4) BunnyGo, da​rgorygel, Chaqa, The Double Vote
Maniac (2) Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
kgray (1) Vecna

why is dv in green?

[Chaqa]

Did the color-code thing. I put Maniac in a light green because it seems unlikely he is scum, but he's not conftown.

--snipped-

why is dv in green?

I've just been operating under the assumption it's town as I was pretty sure mafia would recruit. Updated to be more accurate:

Day 1:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99u​k, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug​ (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

Day 2:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Day 3:
bo_sox48 (7) rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo6​66, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, ghug
seth24c (4) BunnyGo, da​rgorygel, Chaqa, The Double Vote
Maniac (2) Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
kgray (1) Vecna

[ghug]

yes. yes he has

I'm actually relatively hopeful this morning.

[ghug]

im sorry we were interupting your important mafia discussions

Actually Vecna it's a serious point. If we start getting into a heated political argument in this thread it's likely to attract Mod / Admin attention and get us bumped off the main page. So, actually, better leave the political debate for the politics thread.

So let's play Mafia. Does your remark from SoD3 still stand? Just an affirmative or a negative will do.

what remark was that?

I think he's asking about your request for doc protection.

[ghug]

@Ghug: If you're around, quick question - when did you begin scumread Kgray? Like, which phase was it, can you remember?

And here he's asking if I'm an investigative role.

Her Flum vote was the first red flag, I think.

[ghug]

Did the color-code thing. I put Maniac in a light green because it seems unlikely he is scum, but he's not conftown.

--snipped-

why is dv in green?

I've just been operating under the assumption it's town as I was pretty sure mafia would recruit. Updated to be more accurate:

Day 1:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99u​k, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug​ (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

Day 2:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Day 3:
bo_sox48 (7) rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo6​66, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, ghug
seth24c (4) BunnyGo, da​rgorygel, Chaqa, The Double Vote
Maniac (2) Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
kgray (1) Vecna

There's still always a chance they randed it.

[Chaqa]

I don't think we should do it yet, but is there a point at which a massclaim benefits town? Bozo would know.

[ghug]

I don't think we should do it yet, but is there a point at which a massclaim benefits town? Bozo would know.

Probably KILO/MILO. I think we should be ready for investigative roles to demand claims from specific people earlier.

Everyone should definitely be claiming being targeted by mafia actions, as the lack of them will be somewhat telling about the roles selected.

[kgray]

I notice you giving helpful (really) advice to people. If it were bo, it would be a town tell. But I do not recall you in this way (whether it is a tell.)

I more meant the out of game things part.

I think I'm teachy regardless of alignment.

##VOTE bo

Probably defensive, ghug. I got called away from my desk and you call me scum for it. ::shrug::

@ghug tell me how this feels "uncomfortable" to you. I'm not seeing it at all.

[ghug]

I more meant the out of game things part.

I think I'm teachy regardless of alignment.

##VOTE bo

Probably defensive, ghug. I got called away from my desk and you call me scum for it. ::shrug::

@ghug tell me how this feels "uncomfortable" to you. I'm not seeing it at all.

That post I actually kinda like.

[kgray]

So, we are royally screwed. Sorry Bo, really thought you were scum.

Not counting with PRs, we start the day with 7/4 (more likely) or 8/4 if we count Flum. So, we have only one misskill left, unless a PR made some great choices.

Doesn't seem to me like you really thought bo was scum:

I don't want to kill Bo today to be honest, but someone that voted HR yesterday and will change my vote later. Seth are another great candidate and Maniac first list probably hold some scum in it.

I have a sudden family crisis to deal and will probably miss EOD.

I will not change my vote now, but for the record I still want to kill Chaqa.

Why not vote Chaqa then??

I don't think it's a viable wagon now, specially with Maniac shenanigans.

By the way, if Bo flips scum I think Dargo is also scum, he is trying really hard to get another wagon going.

[Chaqa]

I don't think we should do it yet, but is there a point at which a massclaim benefits town? Bozo would know.

Probably KILO/MILO. I think we should be ready for investigative roles to demand claims from specific people earlier.

Everyone should definitely be claiming being targeted by mafia actions, as the lack of them will be somewhat telling about the roles selected.

Wouldn't this basically just be roleblock? Unless I'm missing something, other mafia actions wouldn't inform the target of them?