M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

I am posting from North America in Central Daylight Time.

if you're not british you don't have an excuse for using periods or commas

I'm the daughter of a teacher and a librarian. Punctuation is in my blood.

Thus may be the highest female-male ratio in a webdip mafia game ever.

[ButterscotchReader]

If they’re lying about the role, the sniper shot fails…

Yes I know. Why does that negate anything I said?

The sniper will never shoot because they think someone is lying about a role

I'm guessing this is your first game of Witch Hunt. Or maybe on this site they wouldn't.

[Bonatogether]

Is that not the entire point of the game? If not mechs talk, what?

finding scum ??

I mean, duh. But by what means if not talking mechs?

they do scummy things

[Bonatogether]

you don't need to have flips or mechs to catch scum - those only confirm intuitions

[Bonatogether]

i hate mechs talk

this is lame

I don't, but I don't trust it. In Witch Hunt, though, the mechanics ARE complex so some explanations of them are necessary--it's just important to scrutinize them carefully because it's also easy to lie about optimal play. People can and do disagree, but some players flat out try to use it against the village.

also mechs disagreement has no stakes for scum

[Bonatogether]

I am posting from North America in Central Daylight Time.

if you're not british you don't have an excuse for using periods or commas

I'm the daughter of a teacher and a librarian. Punctuation is in my blood.

i'm educated too (nominally) but punctuation is short for punctu-lame-ation

[Bonatogether]

Yes I know. Why does that negate anything I said?

The sniper will never shoot because they think someone is lying about a role

I'm guessing this is your first game of Witch Hunt. Or maybe on this site they wouldn't.

bunnygo knows a lot about shooting prs

[BunnyGo]

The sniper will never shoot because they think someone is lying about a role

I'm guessing this is your first game of Witch Hunt. Or maybe on this site they wouldn't.

bunnygo knows a lot about shooting prs

I’ve never shot a VT or unclaimed PR!
Only scum and un-CC’d PRs

[Bonatogether]

I'm guessing this is your first game of Witch Hunt. Or maybe on this site they wouldn't.

bunnygo knows a lot about shooting prs

I’ve never shot a VT or unclaimed PR!
Only scum and un-CC’d PRs

fake in the extreme

[BunnyGo]

bunnygo knows a lot about shooting prs

I’ve never shot a VT or unclaimed PR!
Only scum and un-CC’d PRs

fake in the extreme

Completely true. This includes my games at the office too.

[Bonatogether]

I’ve never shot a VT or unclaimed PR!
Only scum and un-CC’d PRs

fake in the extreme

Completely true. This includes my games at the office too.

i was referring to the time you shot me as an uncced pr

[yavuzovic]

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

i feel like hiding information and lying are two different things though. like i get why role info should be kept secret but i don't see why we should actively be deceptive like yavuz suggested

actually @yavuz if i'm misrepping what you said and you meant something more akin to what butter said or smth lmk

Yeah I did suggest being deceptive, maybe not as a whole, but playing little tricks perhaps? I had a reason for this but thinking again, the whole town may not benefit from this.

[yavuzovic]

Yeah I did suggest being deceptive, maybe not as a whole, but playing little tricks perhaps? I had a reason for this but thinking again, the whole town may not benefit from this.

This sounded horribly witchy so let me explain, some roles would benefit from deception, but not all. I encourage lying with a plan.

[yavuzovic]

And it’s 70% odds to any non-sniper town that the sniper is town.

which is why individual claims might be useful for some roles, but massclaiming would give the 30% chance scum sniper a free shot on smth like the gravedigger. and 30% is high enough that i wouldn't risk the massclaim

The mice are interesting…

They already know each other.

And there’s a 50%+ chance the scum know them already.

I guess that means, scum has either:
→ No mice, having stronger power roles
→ 1 or 2 mice, having a lot of information so a scum sniper already is advantaged, we might as well claim to let town!sniper have free shots. Not only sniper is more likely to be town, but the benefit of claiming is higher for town!sniper than scum!sniper.
→ 3 mice, no way

[yavuzovic]

Amusingly, one mouse could out all of them.

I don’t know if this is good or bad.

I think it's fine later, but the most important job we have day 1 as the village is to get the Gravedigger to day 2. Please do not let anybody jeopardize that outcome by narrowing down the POE.

Hmm. Would you not just do that by voting in the claimed mice, what’s the problem?

Actually this might be a better idea. If we accidentally form a wagon on grave digger or any informative role, we risk them having to claim. If we vote for a mouse, that will be safer.

[damo666]

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Bunny's work on roles suggests town [prima facie]

Meh. Maybe. Talking about roles is an easy thing to do as the minority team because it disguises that you aren't really hunting for folks with nefarious designs. I'll accept that as your reason, but I'm more like to give you villager points for it than Bunny.

Fair. I'm aware it's not cast iron but smells of typical Bunny town play. I don't think he'd be as helpful to town as scum (I wouldn't).

[damo666]

Bunny and mimi town

only reads so far

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

Asking Will about Dip. Weak, I know.

[yavuzovic]

I'm about to do something crazy but I hope I don't ruin the game

[damo666]

##vote Bona

why?

He was annoying me.

[yavuzovic]

Everyone, ##vote mimi with me. I can explain my reasoning but the less information we distribute the better