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I personally on-off read/spectated maybe 15(?) games before I played my first one. So it's not that unbelievable especially as he admitted to going through old games and reading the QTs

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 6:19 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 6:16 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 6:12 pm

Just because it's not coached doesn't mean he's not scum. Why do you think he'd be more likely to pick up on this as town than as scum?

Since as a new player, I found it rather difficult to link actions/scumreads, and it was a lot easier to just look at other people's reads and play pattern recognition.

Granted it was a bit different in my case, but it feels similar enough.

Why was it different in your case?

But fair enough, I agree about pattern recognition being easy/natural to focus on. I certainly did that my first game, and probably still do too much. But, I think this is something that's pretty easy to notice as scum, just as much as town, so I think it's NAI from Bismarck.

You really have it in for me, kgray. I understand it if it's just because I am seen as "lurking". I certainly am not. And there's a lot of people here that simply make 1 liners in response to other nonsense and fill the pages of the thread. English is my second language, so reading the thread is slow, and this game has generated a whole lot of thread more than my other experience with the likes of Jamiet, Bomb, Fox, Flash, Damo, Vecna, and so on. I pick my targets carefully - I ask them questions after analysing their contributions. I try to work out scum. I don't assume that lurking is scummy - much the same as I don't assume that verbosity and page-filling with Walls means you are Town. And I can confirm that I have a Town role on this island. Sure, a minor role, but a Town role nonetheless.

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:17 am

TheMarche wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:08 am

It's my only clue. Donny shouldn't have known about the secretary if he was a new player. And, on the top of all, he never explained how he found that role.

Hah, tbh I don't really know either. The only thing I can think of is that he skimmed a previous worcej game and it left an impression but not exactly what it was. He's been seen on-off reading the mafia thread before iirc.

And no, now that I double check he did say where he found the role.

Lol Bismarck, I'm sorry

P I L E
- Flash
- RHK
- Summit
- Damo
- Sarah
- Marche
- Jamie
- Brain
- Xorx

?- food
? - Chaqa
? - EMC

Sus
- darg
- Bismarck

People I need to read
- Vecna
- Bozo
- Kgray
- Fox

Kgray feeling limp AF.

N O P I L E

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 7:59 pm

xorxes wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 7:54 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 7:49 pm

Correct. I do not think either scenario is directly contradicted by the information given by worcej in post 2.

OK.

For me, this: "​There is one mafia faction, one town faction, and a 3P faction" would be a strange way to put it if the game started with more than one 3P faction. I guess pedantically you can say "there is a 3P faction" when there is actually more than one. I still don't think I'm being obtuse if I'm a bit uncomfortable with that.

It could also be that emc's role isn't meant to be it's own "faction" since his alignment (if he's being honest) is decided after the game starts but becomes one of mafia, town or 3p.

I don't think you're being obtuse, but I also don't think we're going to get anywhere with this.

I disagree, kgray. This is how I am thinking about this important discussion:
21 people so, what would be REASONABLE scum number? 5?
Then we have 3p which is another faction we have to get rid of. So let's assume total people Town have to get rid of is 6.
So, 15 Town, 1 3p, and 5 mafia.
Now, assume Donny is Tracker as he claimed (Town). He dies, EMC takes over that. I would posit that EMC was originally Town, since it would be unfair to the setup if mafia EMC could then become Town if Donny was Town. Not so unfair if scum Donny dies, since mafia would stay the same.
So if my numbers are correct, we now have 20 people split up as 14 Town, 5 mafia and a 3p.
This is important, because we have to have some notion of what numbers of enemies we as Town are dealing with.

I've spent way to long on this game today.

Everything is a blur

Life is meaningless

What is an I S L A N D

What is S A N D

H E L P M E

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:57 am

I've spent way to long on this game today.

Everything is a blur

Life is meaningless

What is an I S L A N D

What is S A N D

H E L P M E

Neph is definitely a tanner lol

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:13 am

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:57 am

I've spent way to long on this game today.

Everything is a blur

Life is meaningless

What is an I S L A N D

What is S A N D

H E L P M E

Neph is definitely a tanner lol

Lynch me, see what happens

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:23 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:13 am

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 7:57 am

I've spent way to long on this game today.

Everything is a blur

Life is meaningless

What is an I S L A N D

What is S A N D

H E L P M E

Neph is definitely a tanner lol

Lynch me, see what happens

... I think we should call his bluff, guys.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:56 am

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:23 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:13 am

Neph is definitely a tanner lol

Lynch me, see what happens

... I think we should call his bluff, guys.

You wont

xorxes wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 8:27 pm

BismarckAlive wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:39 am

Meta reads are a very important part of Mafia. I just wish I had unlimited time to trudge through previous scenarios and tabulate how our resident islanders behaved when they were our brothers and sisters, and how the same people behaved when they were the enemy within. My memory is shot when it comes to meta reads. So, the wily old hands on this lovely island can keep sharing those gold musings of meta folklore while the amazing PeterBot is in iso of its own.
Meanwhile, I like the ongoing analysis of the Xorxes/Chaqa/Nephthys interaction for a possible first lynch vote.
Now, off to my teaching day...

I think this was asked before but I don't recall seeing an answer.

@Bismark, did you ever explore that Xorxes/Chaqa/Nephthys interaction some more? Can you summarize what it was about, and what piqued your attention about it?

##unvote
I re-read now that whole section between pages 14 and 17. I think the whole line in my mind started when Vecna voted Nephtys (p. 15) and Nephtys came into my radar. What followed was an instructive dialogue around why meta information was important (between Nephtys, you and Chaqa). Nephtys was of the view that meta reads were inconsequential, and I thought that was a bit scummy, since I thought only scum thinking/intending on killing everyone in this game would dismiss meta reads (ie not caring much who dies when). And then you pointed out that Nephtys was really cognisant of how Worcej in general informs the scum team who they all are. Chaqa had admonished Brainbomb for scum reading , Nephtys and Demon RHK on p.15, so I solidified in my mind that either or both Chaqa and Nephtys were scum, and wrote so.

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 6:05 am

Ok so I'm re-reading on the assumption that EMC and Chaqa are town and one thing is still bugging me.

In what world does a town!food who genuinely believes that using his power means he dies, use it on N1?

I disagree. I think using that power in N1 was good for Town, because a Town wasn't NK'd. Say Donny was scum, and EMC took his role. Then scum haven't changed (ie total number of them). Now if Donny was Town, EMC became his role (assuming here Tracker as he claimed) so Town is down 1. Either way, a Town not dying during N1 was a good result for Town, allowing all Town during D2 to continue hunting scum...

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 9:01 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:56 am

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 8:23 am

Lynch me, see what happens

... I think we should call his bluff, guys.

You wont

Bet.

##Vote Nephthys

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:03 am

I feel like I'm starting to have too many townreads.

Me too

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 5:21 am

Or damo lmao, but I have nothing against him except for paranoia induced gut.

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 6:54 am

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 6:52 am

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 6:50 am

@emc, did you say you were aware the Chaqa was gonna make that EON post?

Yeap

So in what world would Chaqa die last night. Surely he must be aware that if you were scum then you just don't kill last night and them you're cleared.

Seems like a weird oversight from Chaqa

So what does this imply?

Chaqa and EMC both scum or Chaqa erred?