Re: Mafia 56: Scout Camp
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:36 am
I think my balancing issues were the problem, not the closed setup.
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I think my balancing issues were the problem, not the closed setup.
I don't think you could have done anything. I knew you had access to a QT, so the only way you could have saved yourself is if you cooked up another role besides Chaqa's with access to a QT, which was extremely unlikely you would think of doing given you didn't know what my scan was about.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:23 amNot that easy, but I agree I could have handled it better.worcej wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:01 pmA quick google search of roles for mafia would’ve handled that for you...rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:28 pm
I don't like it too. I got screwed as 3rd party last game because I didn't know what to claim.
Ahh it's over. Shame it ended the way it did. I won't comment on the setup but I find myself agreeing with Vecna that massclaims aren't very exciting.
how come? the balance was a bit off, but the rest was quite awesome?
I dislike closed setups personally. I am sad that webDip mafia seems to be drifting away from a good mix of mostly-vanilla games with occasional complex setups (M54 was the last vanilla setup, and the next two M games look like they'll be complex/non-standard setups).
Sounds like you should GM a small vanilla game while we wait for Chaqa to get his started :)Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:51 pmI dislike closed setups personally. I am sad that webDip mafia seems to be drifting away from a good mix of mostly-vanilla games with occasional complex setups (M54 was the last vanilla setup, and the next two M games look like they'll be complex/non-standard setups).
In the recent past, webDip mafia straight up banned closed setups. From the Mafia Council's GM Guide, "Finally, Closed Setups (setups where the roles are not known to the players) are not permitted on webDiplomacy and will never be approved." That's from 2017 or so when Captain Meme, Hellenic Riot, and Flum were the Council. I'm not suggesting that we hold to that (especially if people want to play closed setups), but I am just curious if anyone knows why that prohibition was put in?
^thisFluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
I would consider running 7 town v. 2 mafia 32/16-phase vanilla game IF Chaqa doesn't mind and I can get 9 signups (don't signup here, PM me or start a new thread) in time to start by 6PM tomorrow (I don't want to wait on signups and then cause Chaqa to have to wait to start his game).Durga wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:03 pmSounds like you should GM a small vanilla game while we wait for Chaqa to get his started :)Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:51 pmI dislike closed setups personally. I am sad that webDip mafia seems to be drifting away from a good mix of mostly-vanilla games with occasional complex setups (M54 was the last vanilla setup, and the next two M games look like they'll be complex/non-standard setups).
In the recent past, webDip mafia straight up banned closed setups. From the Mafia Council's GM Guide, "Finally, Closed Setups (setups where the roles are not known to the players) are not permitted on webDiplomacy and will never be approved." That's from 2017 or so when Captain Meme, Hellenic Riot, and Flum were the Council. I'm not suggesting that we hold to that (especially if people want to play closed setups), but I am just curious if anyone knows why that prohibition was put in?
Mafia 58 will have a semi-open setup. I have always liked them.
Well, you should know, as one of the only people ever to actually *run* a bastard mod game on herecaptainmeme wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:16 pm^thisFluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
I strongly disagree with this. A closed setup should be advertised as a closed setup. A closed setup is not automatically bastard setup, certainly not if it is balanced.Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
What does “vanilla “ mean?Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:07 pmI would consider running 7 town v. 2 mafia 32/16-phase vanilla game IF Chaqa doesn't mind and I can get 9 signups (don't signup here, PM me or start a new thread) in time to start by 6PM tomorrow (I don't want to wait on signups and then cause Chaqa to have to wait to start his game).Durga wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:03 pmSounds like you should GM a small vanilla game while we wait for Chaqa to get his started :)Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:51 pm
I dislike closed setups personally. I am sad that webDip mafia seems to be drifting away from a good mix of mostly-vanilla games with occasional complex setups (M54 was the last vanilla setup, and the next two M games look like they'll be complex/non-standard setups).
In the recent past, webDip mafia straight up banned closed setups. From the Mafia Council's GM Guide, "Finally, Closed Setups (setups where the roles are not known to the players) are not permitted on webDiplomacy and will never be approved." That's from 2017 or so when Captain Meme, Hellenic Riot, and Flum were the Council. I'm not suggesting that we hold to that (especially if people want to play closed setups), but I am just curious if anyone knows why that prohibition was put in?
I think that we've done a good job with that in completely closed setups. We haven't had many of those anyways, so I wouldn't worry.Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
Im not trying to start a shitshow here (weeeeellll maybe a little), but if the mafia council feel they wanna hold sway over such decisions in such a way here, maybe they should actually put in more effort into properly reviewing the setups first. (do setups even still go through that though?)Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
I'm sure there's a standardized answer somewhere, but it generally means a simple setup that's light on mechanics—i.e., no third party, few PRs (usually town doctor, town cop, mafia godfather, and mafia roleblocker or factional roleblock).BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:38 amWhat does “vanilla “ mean?Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:07 pmI would consider running 7 town v. 2 mafia 32/16-phase vanilla game IF Chaqa doesn't mind and I can get 9 signups (don't signup here, PM me or start a new thread) in time to start by 6PM tomorrow (I don't want to wait on signups and then cause Chaqa to have to wait to start his game).