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Durga wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:25 pm

you cant vote trprado

you have to vote between et and EP because I'M THE JUDGE AND I SAY SO!!!

Lmao. If you're actually the judge, I'm never talking to you again.

Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:15 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:14 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:10 pm

Do you think ET is Town or Scum?

I'm writing up a full reads list now. Eta 1ish hour. I'll be here for EOD, so I can answer any questions on my reads.

Regarding et, I think he's town. Given that so many people are on me, however, I assume mafia is more okay with me dying than et. I believe there are 3 reasons for this.
1. They want me dead
2. They plan to swing to et
3. They're trying to blend in with the town (who they assume wants me dead)

If #1, we should kill et.
If #2, more people should vote against me to prevent the swing.
No idea about #3.

Why would they plan to swing to ET?

If they think he's a PR

EspressoPatronum wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:31 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:15 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:14 pm

I'm writing up a full reads list now. Eta 1ish hour. I'll be here for EOD, so I can answer any questions on my reads.

Regarding et, I think he's town. Given that so many people are on me, however, I assume mafia is more okay with me dying than et. I believe there are 3 reasons for this.
1. They want me dead
2. They plan to swing to et
3. They're trying to blend in with the town (who they assume wants me dead)

If #1, we should kill et.
If #2, more people should vote against me to prevent the swing.
No idea about #3.

Why would they plan to swing to ET?

If they think he's a PR

The bolded words should be corrected to say: "the maf are okay with voting for me over et"

EspressoPatronum wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:30 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:25 pm

you cant vote trprado

you have to vote between et and EP because I'M THE JUDGE AND I SAY SO!!!

Lmao. If you're actually the judge, I'm never talking to you again.

EP's D2 READS

PSA before you read these: the secretary allows the scum to be more coordinated than normal. Keep that in mind when you’re evaluating the likelihood of the maf voting together +/ swinging the vote.

The 10 people against me right now are:
TrPrado, damo666, Foxcastle, et, Nephthys, Tom Bombadil, FlaviusAetius, xorxes, Durga, Percy Williams

It is very likely most - if not all - of the maf are in that group.

Town Core
Rdrivera2005
Not afraid to speak out against the town.
Squigs44
Diplomatic playstyle, engaging in arguments, not afraid to post a lot of content with substance

Townlean
Balki Bartokomous - Seems willing to entertain opposing views. Considerate and helpful moving the town forward.

ChippeRock- Still disapprove of his early game play, but his play in N1 and D2 suggest town.

Et - His behaviour indicates town. The votes (10-5) are worrisome though. Either maf doesn’t want et dead, or they plan to swing against him EOD.

TrPrado - I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but I think he’s town. His analysis of actions in D1 and N1 was good. Hope to see more from analysis him in the next few days.

Durga - Usually plays with conviction as town. Even when she changes votes, she says things like “I’m convinced” and changes. Her votes going back and forth indicates confusion, which is a town sign.

ND - He’s posting long and thoughtful posts. He's still critical of ppl + not trying to buddy ppl. I’d put him in my town core, but I haven’t seen his scum meta before.

Nephthys - Engaging in discussion. Seems to be helping the town move forward.

Null
Moscowfleet/peterlund - deep lurker/unknown until peterlund catches up.

Teacon - early game behaviour consistent with town!teacon. Deep lurker now, which isn’t how he played last game.

Damo666 - Haven’t read much from him.

Connorcompton - Haven’t read much from him.

Scumlean
Tom Bombadil - His playstyle reminds me a bit of Balki’s, but Tom’s is more critical and doesn’t give as much back. Seems like something I would do if I was trying to mimic my playstyle while also trying to say as little as possible.

Percy Williams - Lurker? He happily threw his vote against me while giving super hedgy reasons. Seems like he’s trying to find an excuse to vote with the scum.

Scum
FlaviusAetius - Carbomb theory. Vote swing to save him at the end.

Foxcastle - Doesn’t provide strong reasons for why he’s voting. Very hedgy with reads.

Xorxes - His play is very different from last game, and he seems skeptical of thought-out posts. I get the impression he’s a very logical player, and he has no issue writing out huge cases against people (see xorxes v teacon). I haven’t seen anything like that from him here.


Ps. Thanks to @TrPrado for the colour-code idea!

Wow, that townlean green is really hard to read. I have regrets.

WORST eod. I am officially scum reading the people who encouraged the judge to use his shit power

For the record, those reads are decent and well thought out. I don't think scum!EP who is being bussed by his teammates would have bothered to provide more reads/info than what is necessary

##vote ET

EP's reading list is very nice.

Btw how many players answered this questions?
I am disappointed a little.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 am

We've been arguing for a long time about whether EspressoPatronums play was optimal. The general consensus is that no, it was not.
Whether his play was optimal or not doesn't matter. What matters is whether his play was scummy or not. For anyone wishing to move on from this tireless back and forth, answer these NEW questions:

Do you think that EP pulled this move to fish for PRs? Why or why not?
Do you think that EP pulled this move to look more townie? Why or why not?
Do you think EP actually believes his long post (does it feel genuine), or do you think he wrote it simply to defend himself?
Besides this play, and his posts being "calculated" what other reasons do you see for him being scum?

Durga wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:56 pm

For the record, those reads are decent and well thought out. I don't think scum!EP who is being bussed by his teammates would have bothered to provide more reads/info than what is necessary

I feel like you’re generally less skeptical this game than usual.

The reads list appears pretty sincere, but, scum on the gallows with many hours to draft and edit — this is not a readable moment. That said, this will be useful after the flip if there is one.

ET — I’d still like to see you put some effort into some last words. You still might flip today. If you do, what do you want to leave us with?

If one of the Espresso voters moves to ET, I can tie it.

##Call GM, would you please provide an official vote count? I’m not sure how to count Peter and teacon who don’t seem to know what is going on.

@Chippe, what is your plan? You still don’t have a valid vote.

Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:56 pm

For the record, those reads are decent and well thought out. I don't think scum!EP who is being bussed by his teammates would have bothered to provide more reads/info than what is necessary

I feel like you’re generally less skeptical this game than usual.

The reads list appears pretty sincere, but, scum on the gallows with many hours to draft and edit — this is not a readable moment. That said, this will be useful after the flip if there is one.
ET — I’d still like to see you put some effort into some last words. You still might flip today. If you do, what do you want to leave us with?

Ok, I think I can get many information in 2Day.
I am going to write from now.

No way in heck that guy (Espresso) is scum people. His wagon is one of the dumbest wagons I've ever seen.

et wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:12 pm

EP's reading list is very nice.

Btw how many players answered this questions?
I am disappointed a little.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 am

We've been arguing for a long time about whether EspressoPatronums play was optimal. The general consensus is that no, it was not.
Whether his play was optimal or not doesn't matter. What matters is whether his play was scummy or not. For anyone wishing to move on from this tireless back and forth, answer these NEW questions:

Do you think that EP pulled this move to fish for PRs? Why or why not?
Do you think that EP pulled this move to look more townie? Why or why not?
Do you think EP actually believes his long post (does it feel genuine), or do you think he wrote it simply to defend himself?
Besides this play, and his posts being "calculated" what other reasons do you see for him being scum?

1. Probably not. I think he reacted quickly to being called out by the judge without thinking it through.
2. I think he probably is town. Say 90% chance vt and 10% chance scum/SK (I'm assume 0% town PR) so 10% yes 90% no.
3. Again 90% chance genuine, 10% not.
4. Nothing really.

I just woke up. I dislike this schedule.

teacon7 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:23 pm

##vote trprado because from what I've been reading he's making lots of nose but isn't really committing much signal.

GM NOTE

This vote is not valid. You may not vote for TrPrado today.

VOTE COUNT 2.something

EspressoPatronum (9) - TrPrado, damo666, Foxcastle, et, Nephthys, Tom Bombadil, FlaviusAetius, xorxes, Percy Williams
et (6) - rdrivera2005, connorcompton, EspressoPatronum, Squigs44, ND, Durga

EspressoPatronum is scheduled to be lynched.

There is 1 hour and 26 minutes left.

GM NOTE:

Peterlund and teacon7 must cast a valid vote (for one of the two candidates above) by phase end.