M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

I'm not seeing how boatman is scum this game.

What am I missing

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not seeing how boatman is scum this game.

What am I missing

On my side I want a viable wagon to Celaph so we have an EOD and I didn't like the way TFB answered about why he would not fear kill Snowy. He answered me that many people scumread Snowy, but it just doesn't match what I was feeling at night.

[celaph]

Regarding TFB:
I get the feeling that he is using activity as a metric that he can comfortably discuss reads around without being forced to construct a full read around. It formed the basis for a significant portion of D1 scumreads of Kak and myself. And it feels like he keeps coming back to it to justify his scumreads on people. He sussed my inactivity N1, and again when he voted me SoD2, and again in response to Eden's comment on night solving. Most recently, he called Blamp and Bozo for disappearing at SoN1 as scummy.

I also think that he is a good candidate for being saved D1, though I'm less convinced than some that someone was saved.

##vote TFB

[celaph]

## vote celaph

Why do you scum read me?

You've asserted that you see my death as a forgone conclusion, yet you don't seem to care about the outcome of that conclusion nor believe that the conclusion will go your way.

I don't know whether you are scum but you are a good info kill. This is unfortunate if you are town but there you are. If you are town scum are not going to NK you so there will always be a big ? over you so might as well get it over and done with now. Sorry for being so cold about it but as I said before it's inevitable (barring drama).

I appreciate your honesty, but I also think that a pure info kill is foolish. If town have no better way of finding scum than killing each other, this is going to be a fast game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tier 1 = strong towncore, do not want to kill in this group ever.
Tier 2 = leaning town, do not wish to kill today, but potentially open to killing later based on flips/etc.
Tier 3 = vaguely in the null space, probably don’t kill today
Tier 4 = killable today

Tier 1: Sabi, Bona, brain, Demon
Tier 2: bozo, Lamp, Chaqa, pyxxy
Tier 3: ghug, Jamie, worcej, rivera, Boat
Tier 4: celaph, Maniac

Could you explain your scumread on Maniac please, PE?

You've mentioned him a few times and put him in your scum-pool, but I've read back and I can't quite understand what your case on him is?

[Jamiet99uk]

I've proved I wasn't lying, as you knew I would easily be able to do.

What was the point of accusing me of lying when you knew that accusation wouldn't stick?

Just for shits and giggles really and to pass the time.

Teehee.

But your vote is still on me. Do you think I am scum? Why do you think that, if you do?

Maniac has not responded to this.

He admits that he accused me of lying (and voted for me) "for shits and giggles" and yet his vote is still on me.

I hate this kind of crap, so I am sure the rest of the community all think this is brilliant town play. Bravo Maniac, what a great guy you are. Town is sure to win with this approach from you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tier 1 = strong towncore, do not want to kill in this group ever.
Tier 2 = leaning town, do not wish to kill today, but potentially open to killing later based on flips/etc.
Tier 3 = vaguely in the null space, probably don’t kill today
Tier 4 = killable today

Tier 1: Sabi, Bona, brain, Demon
Tier 2: bozo, Lamp, Chaqa, pyxxy
Tier 3: ghug, Jamie, worcej, rivera, Boat
Tier 4: celaph, Maniac

What has bozo done to warrant a townread?

he’s like 65-70% to be town

That's not an answer.

Ghug didn't ask you what percentage of faith you placed in your read. He asked you what Bozo has done do make you townread him. Apparently this is a question you are unable to answer?

[Jamiet99uk]

upon review I realize that doesn’t answer your question.

what has he done? nothing at all

Oh ok you just 70% townread him for no reason.

I seeeeee.

[Maniac]

Maniac, what a great guy you are.

Finally after all these year, Jamie finally gets what everyone else already knows.

[Maniac]

Some thoughts

Rdriveria - doing carnival gets him a pass for d1 I suppose
Damo - says he fell for bozo’s ruse and has contributed nothing so far. Hasn’t come under any pressure. I’d happily vote Damo.
Macca - flooded house gets him a D1 pass - hope everything is being sorted Macca.
Pyxxy - one posts that makes them look engaged and then very little follow up. I’d happily vote Pyxis today.
Bozo - unusually quiet. Hasn’t received any pressure. I’d happily vote Bozo today.
Celaph - I won’t vote Celaph today.
Chaqa - would vote for Celaph which makes me want to kill him now. Would more than happily vote Chaqa today.
Jamie - I’d be eggstatic to vote for Jamie today and any other day.
Snowy. Ghug and TFB - if push came to shove I’d vote for one of these.
I’d need a lot of convincing to vote for sabi, demon or Kakarroto.
President Eden is now off my kill list for now. ##unvote Eden

Rest are null.

Maniac do you still feel this way about these people?

I’ve evolved on many reads. I’ll be sure to share with the class at some point today.

[Maniac]

@zManiac did it in 2 today.

I’m handing you the keys to the puzzle solver mansion. Kudos. I took 5 today.

[Jamiet99uk]

@eden can you explain bozo in a serious manner beyond this 65-70% bs?

it’s completely serious, I’ve said it several times today.

On Night 1 you predicted that Bozo was scum.

In your first mention of Bozo today, you had him in your scumpool.

In your second mention of Bozo today, you said you were "less certain" but did not explain why, yet you still listed him in your scumpool of six.

Then suddenly you post a tiering list, and magically Bozo is now 65-70% town apparently.

What has happened during today to change your read of Bozo and why are you so unwilling to explain yourself?

This is very suspicious.

[Jamiet99uk]

@eden can you explain bozo in a serious manner beyond this 65-70% bs?

it’s completely serious, I’ve said it several times today.

Why'd you ignore my question about Rivera and worcej though?

President Eden is suddenly avoiding a lot of questions.

[Jamiet99uk]

imagine knowing what’s going on and choosing this line of response

Imagine both of y'all openly discussing PR reads in the thread.

Imagine pretending everyone and their mother didn’t know what he was saying. We don’t live in that fantasy world. His play was bad, I’m not gonna pretend ignorance when anyone with a brain saw it.

Yes.

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa brings up the flipper sort of as a joke, but you can tell from him randomly getting mad here that he’s actually considering that that might be happening, and that’s because he’s really invested in his admittedly plausible theory RE: celaph/bozo. which means he really believes it.

his reaction here from a technical standpoint is atrocious, but in the process it reveals he is almost certainly town.

and now he will be mad at me about something something robot emotion something something lawyer, cementing his town status

##VOTE Maniac

Why Maniac?

Don't see a clear case from you.

[Jamiet99uk]

this is a stupid argument

You are a child of divorce. Which dad are you picking in this custody battle

Ouch that's a bit personal isn't it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Question for people who have played with town!Celaph before:

How does he react when he's the lead wagon?

<snip the rest>

I think that this post comes from a town mindest.

[Jamiet99uk]

Question for people who have played with town!Celaph before:

How does he react when he's the lead wagon?

I've never seen celaph get emotional or heated, really. I expect disengagement as scum and composure as town.

I would say that Celaph seems composed this game, not disengaged. He's posting and responding and answering questions.

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac: I would never do such a thing. Show me the evidence.
Jamie: *Shows the evidence*
Maniac: Fair point. Now, ignoring all that evidence, what evidence do you have?

It's annoying, isn't it?

[bozotheclown]

##vote kak for tie

Does the reference to the tie mean you had not seen my vote for Kakarroto yet when you placed this vote?