Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[worcej]

"Several" meant more than one. 2 folk died. As reported. Nothing is hidden here.

sev·er·al
/ˈsev(ə)rəl/
determiner · pronoun
1. more than two but not many.
"the author of several books"

I'm all for ND-bashing, but can we keep it to the substantive complaints? Several meaning two is definitely not so far out of anyone's idiolect that we can't understand it, and the GM has clarified that there were indeed two deaths.

I mean, I speak American good and all but several definitely is always more than 2.

The questions people levied about this were justified and I enjoy flipping darg shit every once and awhile.

[worcej]

I think scum are in: Bob, Thamrick, Maniac, ghug, lfsichl, celaph.

Rationale?

I find that hilarious coming from you.

Under-rated jab right here.

Fox, I'm starting to love this version of you. The likelihood of us fighting seems rather low.

[ghug]

bona's thoughts on the d1 voting

The first half of d1 is notable in that no major wagons (>=3 votes) formed until quite late, at T-25:52. Before then, the lead wagon osscilated between lfischl, ghug, vecna, bob, and macca, with me being the voter pushing them into the lead in 3 of those 5 cases. I don't think anything can be read into this early part of the day.

For most of the remaining time (until T-7:04), Jamie's wagon was in the lead. From what people posted, it does not seem as if it was anything more than 1 or 2 people scumread him but anyways, the wagon went up to 4 votes at T-21:57, slid down one due to me three-way tying the vote, and then back up to 5 T-12:24. This early Jamie wagon (as distinguished from the late Jamie wagon) was stagnant and had no momentum, driving force, or central argument.

The wagon on me was comprised of Bob, Bunny, and jasnah, who all have scumread me since d1 but only recently been able to convince people about it. It's quite interesting to read how people who now eagerly hop on my wagon now were indifferent to it then (damo) or considered that all I was doing was "white noise" (jamie), which doesn't reflect well on damo especially.

Chaqa's wagon never collapsed throughout the day, like Jamie's did, which leads me to believe that there was at least 2 scum on it (but probably no more) It was started by Vecna as a response to Chaqa saying "comedy", with Jamie quoting Vecna's post and voting Chaqa. I gave it a third vote, tying it with my and Jamie's wagon. The main impetus behind the wagon seemed to be punishing lurking and meta-strategies, which is an easy way for scum to hide.

jasnah's wagon was started because Chaqa thought jasnah was a jerk. Second vote was damo ( ). I gave it the 3rd vote as a response to foxcastle seemingly ignoring it (although he was the 4th voter for jasnah's wagon right afterwards). It collapsed towards the end due to people not wanting to be caught off the main two wagons once it became apparent that Jamie and Chaqa would be the final two. There are 3 categories of jasnah voters - Chaqa/fox, me, and then celaph, damo, emc, ghug. These are split by where they end up. Chaqa and fox were apparently afk and didn't move. I went to Jamie. celaph/damo/emc/ghug went to chaqa.

Jamie's lategame wagon (which has to be treated as a distinct wagon) was kickstarted by bunny for pushing for alienhunting and not scumhunting more generally. He also then picked up votes from HR and me. (moving from my wagon, first vote, and moving from jasnah)

Chaqa's wagon, meanwhile, picked up 4 votes from the collapse of jasnah's wagon, while Jamie only picked up 1. This total stampede over to Chaqa makes me believe that any scum in that group chose Chaqa over Jamie. This indicates that they either a) believed that Chaqa was being targeted by town/it was easier to hide on that wagon or b) Jamie is scum and they were trying to protect him.

tl;dr
damo sus
2+ scum among ghug, jamie, jasnah, lfischl, and vecna (people who sat on the chaqa wagon for a long time)
1+ scum among celaph, damo, emc, ghug (people who moved to chaqa over jamie)

3+ scum on chaqa wagon at EoD
more scum on chaqa than on jamie

I'm in both of your groups.

Also killing Chaqa isn't scummy unless Jamie or jasnah (or maybe one of the early wagons) is town.

[worcej]

(snip...)
tl;dr
damo sus
2+ scum among ghug, jamie, jasnah, lfischl, and vecna (people who sat on the chaqa wagon for a long time)
1+ scum among celaph, damo, emc, ghug (people who moved to chaqa over jamie)

3+ scum on chaqa wagon at EoD
more scum on chaqa than on jamie

So are you proposing your top scum suspect is ghug? I arrive to this conclusion only because he's in all possible groupings you're presenting.

[Bonatogether]

bona's thoughts on the d1 voting

I'm in both of your groups.

Also killing Chaqa isn't scummy unless Jamie or jasnah (or maybe one of the early wagons) is town.

Yes. That is intentional.

Killing Chaqa was scummy regardless of Jamie and Jasnah's alignment, since it was "oh lets policy kill the lurker." Scum can easily hide on that wagon and not give any reason or be involved in any late-day shenanigans.

[Bonatogether]

(snip...)
tl;dr
damo sus
2+ scum among ghug, jamie, jasnah, lfischl, and vecna (people who sat on the chaqa wagon for a long time)
1+ scum among celaph, damo, emc, ghug (people who moved to chaqa over jamie)

3+ scum on chaqa wagon at EoD
more scum on chaqa than on jamie

So are you proposing your top scum suspect is ghug? I arrive to this conclusion only because he's in all possible groupings you're presenting.

I am not suggesting that. I think his actions are consistent with that of both groups I listed, and so I put him in both.

[worcej]

The night reveal post says "several" deaths although only 2 are listed.

There must be at least another death that is unreported.

This is damo pretending to be mister game and watch, flipping cartoon bacon onto the thread and totally at a loss for how to look town

No. It is me understanding the meaning of words.

Can't argue against damo with this one... it's a valid point that I've belittled darg about.

[Jamiet99uk]

bona's thoughts on the d1 voting

I'm in both of your groups.

Also killing Chaqa isn't scummy unless Jamie or jasnah (or maybe one of the early wagons) is town.

Yes. That is intentional.

Killing Chaqa was scummy regardless of Jamie and Jasnah's alignment, since it was "oh lets policy kill the lurker." Scum can easily hide on that wagon and not give any reason or be involved in any late-day shenanigans.

Who said Chaqa should be policy killed, or should be killed for lurking?
Which of his voters was it, please?

That certainly isn't why I voted for him.

[worcej]

I wanna kill damo and maniac and ifischl. i need a fuckin flamethrower

Or an M-16...

[Jamiet99uk]

(snip...)
tl;dr
damo sus
2+ scum among ghug, jamie, jasnah, lfischl, and vecna (people who sat on the chaqa wagon for a long time)
1+ scum among celaph, damo, emc, ghug (people who moved to chaqa over jamie)

3+ scum on chaqa wagon at EoD
more scum on chaqa than on jamie

So are you proposing your top scum suspect is ghug? I arrive to this conclusion only because he's in all possible groupings you're presenting.

I am not suggesting that. I think his actions are consistent with that of both groups I listed, and so I put him in both.

both
/bəʊθ/

predeterminer · determiner · pronoun

Used for emphasis to refer to two people or things, regarded and identified together.

[ghug]

Where is my counterwagon?

damo, ifischl and maniac are all acceptable options. champion one

It's pretty clear to me that damo and possibly lfischl are scum, but idk about maniac.

I liked you more when you were knew.

[worcej]

##vote bona. I read the thread. I think you are scum.

Which post makes you think I'm scum? This is a lame-ass reason.

Which post makes you think I'm scum? This is a lame-ass reason.

Like this is coasting more than anything else

This mostly strikes me as lfischl bussing Bona and Bona trying to generate towncred for lfischl.

I'd entertain flipping lfischl over Bona to confirm this.

[Bonatogether]

I'm in both of your groups.

Also killing Chaqa isn't scummy unless Jamie or jasnah (or maybe one of the early wagons) is town.

Yes. That is intentional.

Killing Chaqa was scummy regardless of Jamie and Jasnah's alignment, since it was "oh lets policy kill the lurker." Scum can easily hide on that wagon and not give any reason or be involved in any late-day shenanigans.

Who said Chaqa should be policy killed, or should be killed for lurking?
Which of his voters was it, please?

That certainly isn't why I voted for him.

???

People (jasnah, off the top of my head) had their whole shtick about how we can't let him cheese the metagame

[lfischl]

Which post makes you think I'm scum? This is a lame-ass reason.

Like this is coasting more than anything else

This mostly strikes me as lfischl bussing Bona and Bona trying to generate towncred for lfischl.

I'd entertain flipping lfischl over Bona to confirm this.

I hate to admit it, but its not a bad idea to vote me out because of my item.

[Bonatogether]

So are you proposing your top scum suspect is ghug? I arrive to this conclusion only because he's in all possible groupings you're presenting.

I am not suggesting that. I think his actions are consistent with that of both groups I listed, and so I put him in both.

both
/bəʊθ/

predeterminer · determiner · pronoun

Used for emphasis to refer to two people or things, regarded and identified together.

Why are you quoting the dictionary at me

[Bonatogether]

This mostly strikes me as lfischl bussing Bona and Bona trying to generate towncred for lfischl.

I'd entertain flipping lfischl over Bona to confirm this.

I hate to admit it, but its not a bad idea to vote me out because of my item.

What does this mean?

[worcej]

Why was emc even given walkie chat access if he was imprisoned?

im guessing the people with walkies got a link to it at start of game and it said do not post here until night. and emc probably just thought hey cool im in two chats maybe I can sneak my walkie into my jail cell and tell them im in prison.

It makes me feel really sad for him actually.

And it makes me think that the way the walkie chat was envisioned was never considered fully in combo with so many other elements.

For example based on what im reading the alien can infect both the jailor and the jailed if theyre in the cell. But the jailed cant be killed. but the jailed can be targeted and stolen from, infected or any other action unless im misunderstanding.

So whatever emc did I think was a likely mistake and not a malicious one.

I agree heavily with this last notion. EMC is not malicious at all, he's usually just lazy.

[lfischl]

I'd entertain flipping lfischl over Bona to confirm this.

I hate to admit it, but its not a bad idea to vote me out because of my item.

What does this mean?

If I claim my item it makes a lot more sense.

[Bonatogether]

damo, ifischl and maniac are all acceptable options. champion one

It's pretty clear to me that damo and possibly lfischl are scum, but idk about maniac.

I liked you more when you were knew.

Why are you saying this in response to that?

[Bonatogether]

I hate to admit it, but its not a bad idea to vote me out because of my item.

What does this mean?

If I claim my item it makes a lot more sense.

Really