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bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:20 am

The part about lylo is only true if the BH cooperates with town, and worcej has indicated he would like to see the mafia win.

Mafia would have to take him at his word for them to win at pseudo-lylo. And if one of his targets is mafia, there's no reason to assume he can't win with town.

The part about being "extremely far from their win condition" is not true, as I pointed out earlier, the BH could win by N2 if thing go terribly wrong.

Not anymore. If we lynch a BH target now and Mafia kills another, we can lynch BH D3. But if that is the case, we would not know who the BH is. If worcej is not BH, he could be one of their targets, so lynching him does not improve our odds in that respect.

The part about being "strongly suspected of being BH" is not true for a lot of players, myself included. I thought it was maybe 50/50, but the more I think about it, the more I doubt worcej because of his claimed targets.

So you think his post to Kitsune was all theatrics?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:24 am

It does not matter as long as there is at least one wagon with exactly 2 votes and xorxes votes on a single wagon.

The safest is if there are 2 wagons with 2 votes and one with 3, ...

We only need to see that the wagon xorx votes for levels up above any one other wagon to see the effect. That could be to level up ontop of either a 2 wagon or a 3 wagon. 2 2-wagons could be good in case someone joins a 2 wagon in the very last minute.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 am

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 am

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

Exactly.

I think there is as much of a chance that worcej is mafia as either of the Companion claimants individually. Also, if worcej is not the BH, the fake Companion claimer might be the real BH.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am

Joining X would be suicide, who is gonna do that?

Worcej maybe? Helping his team mates the last thing he does perhaps?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:36 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 am

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 am

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

Exactly.

I think there is as much of a chance that worcej is mafia as either of the Companion claimants individually. Also, if worcej is not the BH, the fake Companion claimer might be the real BH.

If that's the case, they should counteclaim worcej. We don't want to lynch the BH.

##CALL GM: if two wagons end the day with the same number of votes, in which order are they listed? Alphabetical? First vote?

peterlund wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:38 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am

Joining X would be suicide, who is gonna do that?

Worcej maybe? Helping his team mates the last thing he does perhaps?

True. But if C has the extra votes it would still show.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:34 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:20 am

The part about lylo is only true if the BH cooperates with town, and worcej has indicated he would like to see the mafia win.

Mafia would have to take him at his word for them to win at pseudo-lylo. And if one of his targets is mafia, there's no reason to assume he can't win with town.

If only one of his targets was scum, we would need to be able to afford 2 town mislynchs so he can share in the win.

The part about being "extremely far from their win condition" is not true, as I pointed out earlier, the BH could win by N2 if thing go terribly wrong.

Not anymore. If we lynch a BH target now and Mafia kills another, we can lynch BH D3. But if that is the case, we would not know who the BH is. If worcej is not BH, he could be one of their targets, so lynching him does not improve our odds in that respect.

worcej could be the BH who gave us fake targets.

The part about being "strongly suspected of being BH" is not true for a lot of players, myself included. I thought it was maybe 50/50, but the more I think about it, the more I doubt worcej because of his claimed targets.

So you think his post to Kitsune was all theatrics?

I think there is at least a 50/50 chance that part of it was, yes. I suggest you reread M44 if you do not think it is possible, or maybe some of my "role PM" posts from M51.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:42 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:36 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 am

Exactly.

I think there is as much of a chance that worcej is mafia as either of the Companion claimants individually. Also, if worcej is not the BH, the fake Companion claimer might be the real BH.

If that's the case, they should counteclaim worcej. We don't want to lynch the BH.

And even if that happens, we caught worcej then. If worcej is BH and we lynch him we have not caught anyone else.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:46 am

peterlund wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:38 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am

Joining X would be suicide, who is gonna do that?

Worcej maybe? Helping his team mates the last thing he does perhaps?

True. But if C has the extra votes it would still show.

C=X

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:01 am

Please vote, preferably with a brief reason, on who I should read from the following candidates.

Bozo
Chaqa
EMC
Fox
ND
Tem

Thanks.

I strongly prefer you read one of the Companion CC, because we can have a second guaranteed lynch after Jamie/Goldie.

If you’re set on a VT - Bozo. He’s widely scumread and he’s the most contributive of the VTs besides me.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 am

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

I strongly disagree with taking a risk on a mislynch when we have a guaranteed non-town to lynch today.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:07 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:01 am

Please vote, preferably with a brief reason, on who I should read from the following candidates.

Bozo
Chaqa
EMC
Fox
ND
Tem

Thanks.

Are the Inari CC players not going to be read?

Not necessary at this stage. If Jamiet turns out to be the roleblocker, they can verify themselves with their roleblock power.

I really don’t think there’s any chance the roleblocker isn’t a Companion claimed

I suppose to be ultra safe we could have 3 out of teacon Peter Tom and darg vote for one of those four but is that just getting silly?

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:42 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:36 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 am

Exactly.

I think there is as much of a chance that worcej is mafia as either of the Companion claimants individually. Also, if worcej is not the BH, the fake Companion claimer might be the real BH.

If that's the case, they should counteclaim worcej. We don't want to lynch the BH.

You may not want to, but you should. The BH has a win condition that most likely causes a town loss. I am fine lynching worcej if he is the BH or not, he is a risk to town either way. Do you not find worcej's claimed targets suspicious?

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 am

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

I don’t necessarily disagree but we have to lynch up to seven people... we have to avoid mislynches as much as possible.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:17 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 am

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:12 am

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

Exactly.

This is valid and because people are sometimes a tad slow there might be a late wagon on one or both of these which is why I am reluctant to read them and prefer to restrict it to the vt list.

I think taking the risk of a mislynch is very unnecessary.

ND wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am

I'm cool with being voted off. It's about what I would expect from King Nitwit. The loss of a VT isn't huge and Xorxes already railroaded one VT. Don't see why he wouldn't do it to another. But, known scum or if he is the BH is better than me.

##VOTE WORCEJ

I'll check in when I can. I gots dnd and shit fools.

Literally no one has been talking about lynching you.

+1 scum

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:24 am

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:32 pm

Temasek22 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:23 pm

##vote hosu

Knowing him, he probs got subbed into a scum role.

This is dangerous. We need to make sure three no other wagons around 2 or 4 votes so xorxes’ test is foolproof

It does not matter as long as there is at least one wagon with exactly 2 votes and xorxes votes on a single wagon.

Good point. I stand corrected.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:53 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:07 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:03 am

Are the Inari CC players not going to be read?

Not necessary at this stage. If Jamiet turns out to be the roleblocker, they can verify themselves with their roleblock power.

I really don’t think there’s any chance the roleblocker isn’t a Companion claimed

Lynching the roleblocker would be hugely beneficial to town, don't you agree?