M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

this is literally what i've been asking

Badly.

Use words better.

Specificity is the soul of narrative.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Stop trying to be witty.

[BunnyGo]

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

Welcome to the game, Butter!

I think you’re going to like it here.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

so tired of this
gfy

is "this" reaction testing, or the expectation that town jamie is calmer than scum jamie?

You said scum Jamie is calmer than town Jamie and now you are turning it around

my bad

[ButterscotchReader]

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

Welcome to the game, Butter!

I think you’re going to like it here.

Thank you!

[miminena]

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

[Bonatogether]

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

this is literally what i've been asking

Badly.

Use words better.

Specificity is the soul of narrative.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Stop trying to be witty.

your witty is shitty

[Bonatogether]

I'm on board about mimi, but now that Bunny has backed off his "I'm a lying liar who lies" opening, he's squarely null for me again. Would you share your thoughts on Bunny?

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

do you always use complete sentences

[Bonatogether]

why?

we're not friends bug-nar

I’m wondering if he could convince me to see something and vote you.

We ain’t buddies. We agree on that.

But I’m slightly to the town side of null for you at the moment.

But damo is coming in stronger town for now.

you will not get townread by me

[ButterscotchReader]

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

[ButterscotchReader]

Tell me about mimi…what about her posts seem towny to you?

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

do you always use complete sentences

Yes.

[BunnyGo]

we're not friends bug-nar

I’m wondering if he could convince me to see something and vote you.

We ain’t buddies. We agree on that.

But I’m slightly to the town side of null for you at the moment.

But damo is coming in stronger town for now.

you will not get townread by me

That’s ok…


That’s ok.

[BunnyGo]

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

Would you support a massclaim? Then everyone’s roles are out in the open and we can just play mafia and the sniper becomes a vig (which is good if they’re town).

The mice already know each other. And odds are at least one is scum so the whole scum team knows.

If scum is apprentice, they know another that way and can even try to get their choice killed quickly to take the power from town.

If they have a different investigative role, they’ll learn more roles that way.

[miminena]

##vote Diploma Cyan Dwarf Are

dw's brazenness here feels a bit like he's trying to emulate his town play. like he does have the whole reaction test thing but it doesn't really feel like he's going anywhere with it; in his town games that i've experienced he has an obvious direction to his tunnels and sticks with them, but in his scum game he kind of just moved around before settling on someone to go after. overall i just don't think he's being genuine in his posts abt jamie but idk

[BunnyGo]

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

How will we know there’s an angel definitively?

[miminena]

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

i feel like hiding information and lying are two different things though. like i get why role info should be kept secret but i don't see why we should actively be deceptive like yavuz suggested

[miminena]

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

How will we know there’s an angel definitively?

iiuc any dead town becomes an angel. so after n1 there will definitely be at least one angel, statistically probably two

[miminena]

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

i feel like hiding information and lying are two different things though. like i get why role info should be kept secret but i don't see why we should actively be deceptive like yavuz suggested

actually @yavuz if i'm misrepping what you said and you meant something more akin to what butter said or smth lmk

[Bonatogether]

She thought my interaction with Will was weird, and it was, but not because we're a pairing, but there's no way for her to know that. She questioned about the statement that players in this particular build will need to be willing to lie. She seems to be coming from a place of--I guess the term would be "open awareness" like she's paying very fine tuned attention to the thread but letting the thread talk to her instead of her putting her voice into the thread. It feels like she's looking for people to trust and mistrust.

do you always use complete sentences

Yes.

what time zone are you in?

[GlitterBomb]

two things:
1. i haven't really paid much attention to the thread yet outside of that one interaction with will

2. i still don't get why lying is necessary here? you seem to get it so pls explain

I don't ENTIRELY agree with that as a blanket statement, but yes, in a game where roles give zero alignment information, hiding your role from the wolfpack (t least at the BEGINNING) is more important than usual. Witches will know which roles are village aligned and it allows them to plan optimally, but doesn't clear you to fellow villagers. We can't even accept what you said as factual when you die unless you die at night--which PROBABLY but not DEFINITELY means you a villager or unless a village aligned Gravedigger gets your reveal.

It's a great game build for finding witches by trying to manipulate vs "solve by power and follow the information roles" but the rate at which information gets out is important. There is no angel, for example, until a village player dies. Once we know definitively that has happened, we can play a bit more openly.

i feel like hiding information and lying are two different things though. like i get why role info should be kept secret but i don't see why we should actively be deceptive like yavuz suggested

Agreed. I don’t get the point with intentionally lying.

But I also don’t feel like a mass claim feels like a good idea right now.

[GlitterBomb]

##vote Diploma Cyan Dwarf Are

dw's brazenness here feels a bit like he's trying to emulate his town play. like he does have the whole reaction test thing but it doesn't really feel like he's going anywhere with it; in his town games that i've experienced he has an obvious direction to his tunnels and sticks with them, but in his scum game he kind of just moved around before settling on someone to go after. overall i just don't think he's being genuine in his posts abt jamie but idk

I will never see DiplomacyAndWarfare’s name the same again!!!!