MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon analysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

Having a clear lynch today also frees up some players to test your vote count to determine Jamie's alignment. I think we need to do what we can to avoid mislynches, and lynching the BH is not a mislynch.

I’m not even sure worcej is the BH. This is why I wanted to lynch Bozo or Fox - clear out an Agent/RP suspect and see if worcej is BH as an added bonus.

[damo666]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

[xorxes]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon analysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

Having a clear lynch today also frees up some players to test your vote count to determine Jamie's alignment. I think we need to do what we can to avoid mislynches, and lynching the BH is not a mislynch.

We can't think of the D2 lynch only. How are you expecting to sort the VTs?

[xorxes]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

Almost anyone could have been reavered.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol Goldfinger we have the same scumreads. Makes me think you're reaver. Or just parroting me.

But...I've *consistently* posted my reads before you.

Well I scumread EMC four pages before you ever did, but w/ever.

[teacon7]

Why should we need to lynch BH? We don't need to do that to win.

And if he made up the targets, he will be exposed at some point.

We might need the BH dead at some point in order to prevent him from hitting his wincon. We don't need to lynch him to win, but we do need to not-lose before hitting ours.

I don't think worcej is the real BH. why would a BH fakeclaim PR?

If worcej made up the targets, it's probably a wifommy list with some real and some fake names. all the targets are "lynchables" in the VT pool, which seems far too convenient. I'd understand his despair if he'd listed needing to lynch a PR, making his wincon mostly inaccessible. As is, the list he gave us looks tailored to fit with what town was thinking its objectives were at the time: lynch from the vt pool.

@mafia - if worcej really is the BH, imo you ought to NK him to get that wincon off the table.

[Jamiet99uk]

Besides, Goldfinger, it's much easier for you to post "scumreads" than it is for me, because I actually have to search for the scum, whereas you know who is on your team so while you still need to hunt the reaver, most of your "scumreading" is just deciding who to bus, and which townies to try to mislynch.

I think you are bussing Bozo, just to make that clear.

[teacon7]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

it's possible, but verifiable though since we can check whether anyone actually gets commuted n2.

[bozotheclown]

Mafia and Reavers need BH dead to win.

Town does not need BH dead to win.

We're currently wasting a lynch to do their job for them. Every scum is onboard with this plan.

Are we even getting info from the lynch at least? None.

The mafia are not going to NK worcej, so we likely need to lynch the BH at some point anyway. Also, we are getting information from the lynch, unless you are certain worcej is the BH. If worcej is Reaver 0, or mafia team 1, what would you expect him to do when he was caught by incorrectly stating the Reader power? I would expect him to claim BH to try to avoid the lynch. As for the believability of his BH claim, he claimed his 3 targets are all from the 6 VT claimants, which would be an odd coincidence.

Why should we need to lynch BH? We don't need to do that to win.

And if he made up the targets, he will be exposed at some point.

Even if worcej is the BH, why would he tell us his real targets? We can't afford to mislynch BH targets, so there would be no chance of him winning. We could lynch a BH target today, and the 2 NKs could be the other BH targets, and we lose, whether worcej is the BH or not. There is a risk in keeping the BH around, worcej may be mafia, lynching worcej guarantees we do not mislynch, and we should have a guaranteed scum lynch between Jamie and goldfinger D3, which gives our PRs 2 more nights to gather information without the risk of a mislynch.

[bozotheclown]

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon analysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

Having a clear lynch today also frees up some players to test your vote count to determine Jamie's alignment. I think we need to do what we can to avoid mislynches, and lynching the BH is not a mislynch.

We can't think of the D2 lynch only. How are you expecting to sort the VTs?

Three more nights of PR information may help, four more nights if we lynch the wrong Companion claimant.

[bozotheclown]

Having a clear lynch today also frees up some players to test your vote count to determine Jamie's alignment. I think we need to do what we can to avoid mislynches, and lynching the BH is not a mislynch.

We can't think of the D2 lynch only. How are you expecting to sort the VTs?

Three more nights of PR information may help, four more nights if we lynch the wrong Companion claimant.

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

[bozotheclown]

Besides, Goldfinger, it's much easier for you to post "scumreads" than it is for me, because I actually have to search for the scum, whereas you know who is on your team so while you still need to hunt the reaver, most of your "scumreading" is just deciding who to bus, and which townies to try to mislynch.

I think you are bussing Bozo, just to make that clear.

Why don't you think he is bussing emc then?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo how do you defend yourself against the case Goldfinger has made against you?

[Jamiet99uk]

Besides, Goldfinger, it's much easier for you to post "scumreads" than it is for me, because I actually have to search for the scum, whereas you know who is on your team so while you still need to hunt the reaver, most of your "scumreading" is just deciding who to bus, and which townies to try to mislynch.

I think you are bussing Bozo, just to make that clear.

Why don't you think he is bussing emc then?

He might be, I'm not sure.

Do you think he is?

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo is an excellent person to bus, because he never flinches from his cold, robotic, mechanical demeanour. He never flickers, never betrays a hint of emotion, and always has a carefully considered reply to any accusation levelled against him. You have to admire him, in a way, despite the blackness of his heart.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo how do you defend yourself against the case Goldfinger has made against you?

It is incorrect.

[bozotheclown]

Besides, Goldfinger, it's much easier for you to post "scumreads" than it is for me, because I actually have to search for the scum, whereas you know who is on your team so while you still need to hunt the reaver, most of your "scumreading" is just deciding who to bus, and which townies to try to mislynch.

I think you are bussing Bozo, just to make that clear.

Why don't you think he is bussing emc then?

He might be, I'm not sure.

Do you think he is?

I do not think he is bussing anyone, but we should know for sure at EOD.

[xorxes]

We can't think of the D2 lynch only. How are you expecting to sort the VTs?

Three more nights of PR information may help, four more nights if we lynch the wrong Companion claimant.

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

[Chaqa]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

You know, I had a feeling this was possible as well, and his refusal to commute makes me wonder.

[Chaqa]

Lol Goldfinger we have the same scumreads. Makes me think you're reaver. Or just parroting me.

But...I've *consistently* posted my reads before you.

Well I scumread EMC four pages before you ever did, but w/ever.

Not exactly a big claim...