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##GM Note:

After consulting with the council, EMC and I have decided it is in the best interest of the game and fairness to all players to restart the game. This is our decision, though supported by Tom (as Dargo mostly recused himself due to his being in the game). To minimize impact, the game will restart with new role PMs and such at 6 PM EST tonight. There's a few reasons for this:

1. As some of you may know, I've been around since M1. I've been back for a few games, but I hadn't picked up on the new standard for not counting quoted votes. I don't necessarily think I made the wrong judgement, as previously (in the old forum days) we would often purposefully quote a vote to make a "hidden" vote, but this seems to have gone by the wayside. Had I been following the normal standard, Kitsune would not have been lynched, and I think it's unfair both to her and to other players to have adjudicated this way. In the reset, we will be using the current standard of not counting quoted votes.

2. A role madness setup is quite difficult to balance, and a few issues were brought to our attention that we would like the chance (and forgiveness) to fix, as we feel they would break the game and ruin the spirit of the game. We did try to plan for this, but some of our original ideas were lost in transition, so the following (mostly minor) changes will happen to the setup:

• The Assassin was a role meant to specifically counter a massclaim, which would quite frankly be a bit game-breaking and unfun. In our original draft, he had a kill, which at some point was lost - you'll notice the role seems rather weak. To fix this, the Assassin will start the game with a gun, and will receive another shot whenever he successfully kills one of his targets. Additionally, the Assassin will receive knowledge of which roles are actually in the game.
• The Hammerer's ability will be allowed to be triggered up to 12 hours after the final word is posted, to increase its utility a bit. The same rules still apply for posting all the words in order, but following posting "up," the Hammerer has a 12 hour window to actually end the day.
• To increase the value of the Item Smith and Gunsmith a bit, the Item Smith will have his armor pack changed to a gun.

3. To clarify, the Mafia will be receiving fake claim roles. Third-Parties (besides the Assassin's knowledge setup) will not. However, it occurred to me that by giving the knowledge that the mafia team as a whole had four roles to claim, I had implicitly revealed there was not a Traitor in the first setup. To counter this, each mafia member will receive a single fake claim role in their role PM.

If anyone has any issues or questions, feel free to ask them here (except you, Jamie ) and we will do our best to address them. We will be working on these changes and resetting the bot, and will have the game ready to restart from Day 1 at 6 PM EST tonight.

- Chaqa & EMC

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:22 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:54 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:18 pm

Forward it to me and I'll read it instead.

Is encouraging someone to break the rules against the rules?

This is your only post so far. Is this really the most important thing you could think of to talk about?

##VOTE DAMO

I was posting while reading through. Didn't know of subsequent developments. Your vote is silly.

##CALL GM:
Just to be clear, when you restart the game are you going to re-roll all the roles?

Can't I keep mine? I like it.

By the way in all seriousness, full credit to the GMs here. I do think that a restart is a sensible solution.

And I clearly hadn't read the GM post.

Good decision GMs.

Btw I was a confirmable town in this game but in general I do not like mass claims as I think they are something of a game spoiler.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:45 pm

##CALL GM:
Just to be clear, when you restart the game are you going to re-roll all the roles?

Can't I keep mine? I like it.

Yes, roles will be re-rolled, as will the actual roles in the game, in order to guarantee no system gaming.

I propose in the new game we policy lynch Vapor

Sooooo...is it time to mass claim?

Sure. I was Zoidberg.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:03 pm

Sure. I was Zoidberg.

Paul Blart Mall Cop

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm

And I clearly hadn't read the GM post.

Good decision GMs.

Btw I was a confirmable town in this game but in general I do not like mass claims as I think they are something of a game spoiler.

Agree on both. It was a good call from GMs and I don't like massclaims, it just kill the game fun.

I was town by the way, Conspiracy Charlie, the Interceptor.

For anyone interested, these were the roles :D

Mafia
1. Hammerer - vapor
2. Hooker - dargo
3. Janitor - prado
4. Role Thief - bob

Town
5. Commuter - yuuki
6. Cop - bungo
7. Doctor - jamie
8. Driver - squigs
9. Governor - tem
10. Interceptor rivera
11. JOAT - bozo
12. Medium - kalel
13. Philosoraptor - damo
14. UB - kit
15. Vigilante - xorxes
16. Watcher - bo
17. Wednesday Frog - bion

Third Parties
18. Arsonist - ezio
19. Chameleon - flav
20. Infector - vecna

I will admit I rather liked these as well, but ah well

When Vecna sent us a PM about hoping there was a Magnet, we had an "oh, shit" moment about him potentially infecting ~10 people in one night, before I was like "that isn't how adjudication order works"

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:34 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm

And I clearly hadn't read the GM post.

Good decision GMs.

Btw I was a confirmable town in this game but in general I do not like mass claims as I think they are something of a game spoiler.

Agree on both. It was a good call from GMs and I don't like massclaims, it just kill the game fun.

I was town by the way, Conspiracy Charlie, the Interceptor.

I was going to post (mid) game counter claim RDR's Conspiracy Charlie claim... and post (mid) game accuse him of being scum. But then Einstein posted the full random results.

sigh.

There goes my fun for the day.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:10 pm

I was going to post (mid) game counter claim RDR's Conspiracy Charlie claim... and post (mid) game accuse him of being scum. But then Einstein posted the full random results.

sigh.

There goes my fun for the day.

Heh. Feel free to fakeclaim in around 7 hours :v

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:44 pm

RESET MADNESS

So (not seriously) I thought about proposing to chaqa/einsteing that they should just give everyone the same rolls but CLAIM it was a reroll, and that "wow... YOU got the same result! How cool! Hope you like it!"

But... not only would it be dishonest, it would also mean merely a fun first day... but as soon as folk started to die, we'd all catch on. (Other than folk who don't read...) ESPECIALLY (and only, really) after the whole deadgame was revealed.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:24 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:44 pm

RESET MADNESS

So (not seriously) I thought about proposing to chaqa/einsteing that they should just give everyone the same rolls but CLAIM it was a reroll, and that "wow... YOU got the same result! How cool! Hope you like it!"

But... not only would it be dishonest, it would also mean merely a fun first day... but as soon as folk started to die, we'd all catch on. (Other than folk who don't read...) ESPECIALLY (and only, really) after the whole deadgame was revealed.

Similar to how I petitioned for Vecna to be Gladiator so he could Caesar post, but EMC shot me down

We also almost had a major oopsie, as I was looking at the wrong list and mixed up two role PMs. Luckily EMC hadn't sent them to the others yet so we ended up swapping, but basically xorx, Ezio, Flav, and Bozo (i think) all had their role PMs round robinned lol

Worcej will be joining into the game as well for the restart.

I assume anyone who doesn't tell us they want out is in as well.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm

Worcej will be joining into the game as well for the restart.

I assume anyone who doesn't tell us they want out is in as well.

My soul is ready for this mess...