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snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:45 pm

Also Sabi you're already on the worcej wagon lmao

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:44 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:23 pm

It seems like we're at the point where there needs to be a concerted effort to save jasnah.

I'm open to voting for:
Chaqa
Damo
Doom
Jamie
lfischl
TFB

I have reservations about Durga, kgray, and Eden, but they can wait a day. Damo is almost in this group but I think he's scum.
I'm leaning slightly town on worcej, but could probably be convinced to kill him for memes.

Why that list? What’s convinced you about Damo lately?

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:31 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:23 pm

It seems like we're at the point where there needs to be a concerted effort to save jasnah.

I'm open to voting for:
Chaqa
Damo
Doom
Jamie
lfischl
TFB

I have reservations about Durga, kgray, and Eden, but they can wait a day. Damo is almost in this group but I think he's scum.
I'm leaning slightly town on worcej, but could probably be convinced to kill him for memes.

I don't think jasnah is worth saving, if that's why you reacted to my switch in vote the way you did. Her behavior's made it clear that she's not going to be contributing at all this game, and there are still questions looming about the Miller situation. Given that (1) many people have hangups about the Miller situation and are only satisfied with moving on if we kill one of them, and (2) there is still an appreciable chance she is mafia fakeclaiming, I think she is a reasonable if uninspired day 1 kill. It would obviously be better to kill mafia in any case, and she still very easily could be mafia. But granting the premise that she's town, and also supposing that we miss today, surely she is the best miss available, right?

My vote is still available for a wagon that I think is more likely to hit mafia.

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:47 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:44 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:23 pm

It seems like we're at the point where there needs to be a concerted effort to save jasnah.

I'm open to voting for:
Chaqa
Damo
Doom
Jamie
lfischl
TFB

I have reservations about Durga, kgray, and Eden, but they can wait a day. Damo is almost in this group but I think he's scum.
I'm leaning slightly town on worcej, but could probably be convinced to kill him for memes.

Why that list? What’s convinced you about Damo lately?

How am I not even on your open to vote for list after all that drama

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:51 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:47 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:44 pm

Why that list? What’s convinced you about Damo lately?

How am I not even on your open to vote for list after all that drama

Are you addressing me or ghug?

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:40 pm

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:36 pm

Pros of Voting to Kills Jasnah

• may have fake claimed miller
  
  Has not posted in over 20 hours thus not helping town
  
  Could possibly be scum
  
  Can scan/ocale her if she's dead to get answer

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Cons of Voting to Kill Jasnah

• could be VT
  
  Could actually be miller
  
  Should not have a d1 kill

Am I correct in this or am I missing anything?

There's value to removing one of jasnah or BunnyGo and using one of town's powers to figure out the role, so that we resolve the Miller situation. Of the two, jasnah is much more likely to be fakeclaiming, and so is the best removal choice. That's the pro argument in a nutshell, and it doesn't particularly depend on jasnah's alignment.

The con argument is that there's an appreciable chance she is town, and that if she is, we could alternatively resolve the situation by not voting either of them and assuming jasnah was town and fakeclaiming, then moving on to vote for people who could actually be mafia.

Where people fall more or less depends on whether they think jasnah is town.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Jasnah clearly doesn't give a shit.

And she's voting PE who is obvtown.

I hope she never plays again.

##end

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:53 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:40 pm

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:36 pm

Pros of Voting to Kills Jasnah

• may have fake claimed miller
  
  Has not posted in over 20 hours thus not helping town
  
  Could possibly be scum
  
  Can scan/ocale her if she's dead to get answer

---

Cons of Voting to Kill Jasnah

• could be VT
  
  Could actually be miller
  
  Should not have a d1 kill

Am I correct in this or am I missing anything?

There's value to removing one of jasnah or BunnyGo and using one of town's powers to figure out the role, so that we resolve the Miller situation. Of the two, jasnah is much more likely to be fakeclaiming, and so is the best removal choice. That's the pro argument in a nutshell, and it doesn't particularly depend on jasnah's alignment.

The con argument is that there's an appreciable chance she is town, and that if she is, we could alternatively resolve the situation by not voting either of them and assuming jasnah was town and fakeclaiming, then moving on to vote for people who could actually be mafia.

Where people fall more or less depends on whether they think jasnah is town.

Is there any actual doubt on the miller situation? Who doubts that Bunny is the real miller? Who doubts jasnah fake claimed? I think the only question is whether jasnah is a VT like I think she is or if she is scum like a fraction of the wagon on her does. The scum!jasnah arguments get worse and worse every time they were posted which is impressive given how weak they were to begin with after the first 50/50 rush before heads cooled down.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:55 pm

It's Friday night so I'm off out to the pub. I probably won't be on at EoD although tipsy Jamie may appear around about deadline time. Have fun kids.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:55 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:53 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:40 pm

There's value to removing one of jasnah or BunnyGo and using one of town's powers to figure out the role, so that we resolve the Miller situation. Of the two, jasnah is much more likely to be fakeclaiming, and so is the best removal choice. That's the pro argument in a nutshell, and it doesn't particularly depend on jasnah's alignment.

The con argument is that there's an appreciable chance she is town, and that if she is, we could alternatively resolve the situation by not voting either of them and assuming jasnah was town and fakeclaiming, then moving on to vote for people who could actually be mafia.

Where people fall more or less depends on whether they think jasnah is town.

Is there any actual doubt on the miller situation? Who doubts that Bunny is the real miller? Who doubts jasnah fake claimed? I think the only question is whether jasnah is a VT like I think she is or if she is scum like a fraction of the wagon on her does. The scum!jasnah arguments get worse and worse every time they were posted which is impressive given how weak they were to begin with after the first 50/50 rush before heads cooled down.

Who would you rather kill a useless town or a useful town?

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:54 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Jasnah clearly doesn't give a shit.

And she's voting PE who is obvtown.

I hope she never plays again.

##end

How is PE obv town...?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:58 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:54 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Jasnah clearly doesn't give a shit.

And she's voting PE who is obvtown.

I hope she never plays again.

##end

How is PE obv town...?

He makes good sense. Doesn't of course mean he's town but for the timebeing I'll put him there. Voting him on D1 evidence is nuts and that is what Jasnah is doing.