MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

I think it's more likely that worcej is reaver than kalel/hosuke.

I think Bozo is leading scum candidate among the VT.

Finding the Reaver is not the most important thing at this stage. There's no reason to think worcej is more likely the Reaver than any other scum role. Not wasting lynches is more important than finding the Reaver. Lynching BH is a waste of a lynch. If we lynch Kalel for example, and he ends up being a BH target, we get confirmation that worcej is lying and then we can lynch him without wasting a lynch. Reducing the number of unknowns is the most important thing now.

We do not know if worcej is the BH, so lynching him does eliminate an unknown. Also, lynching the wrong Companion claim would be a wasted lynch. Hopefully the ItsHosuke RB claim will help resolve the Companion claims.

Worcej is not an unknown, he is known scum and he provided info that would support or disprove his BH claim. I'm surprised you want to lynch him now.

[Chaqa]

@bunny
About super vs Kal... I find Kal's lack of emotional outburst regarding the cc.... Disturbing.

Eh. He may be a bit drained after his dad

[Chaqa]

Hypothesis 1) The reaver fake claimed PR
Hypothesis 2) The reaver criterion is concerning what they are not allowed to post
Hypothesis 3) There was minimal delay in Kitsune posting the warning

In this case, Kalel and Worcej are the only candidates for reaver.

Oh yeah, forgot about this...

@ (I think I already posted this along the way)

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I'm confused. How does claiming it protect you from the Reaver? If you get 'turned' and don't get your extra votes couldn't you just claim to have been roleblocked?

Ditto, with RDR and Jamiet (among others) on conditional though (either majority says yes, or GM confirmed X). It seems like it's more useful to Town, and if anything's broken (within the established rule-set) I believe it's better to break it and learn from it (as a whole).

And now with minimal posting on his part, Bozo has flooded the first day with a lot of noise. I am a programmer, and this discussion is a waste of our time, just like Monty Haul.

Bunny, Kit and I started in the Avengers game. Bunny's really smart when he's playing... me not so much.

As far as absences... It is a holiday... with that said... Happy New Year to everyone (many of which are already in 2020 as I write this).

I'll tune in again tomorrow... same bat-time, same bat-channel.

That's what I did in those pages.

Yeah...but not as one post. Don't worry about it, trying to trigger another warning never got real traction. I'm mostly speculating which scum found I'm most interested in lynching today.

If you're scum, it's you.

If you're Inara, it's Worcej.

What about the Jamie thing?

[xorxes]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

We need to hear who Hosuke roleblocked before discussing that.

[Jamiet99uk]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

We need to hear who Hosuke roleblocked before discussing that.

Do we not already know that I'm the only person who visited you?

You know I didn't Roleblock you.

[Chaqa]

##callGM - If the captain has been turned into a reaver, does the player still get a +c in the VC, even if he's now a reaver? Can we have an official VC please?

1. The player will still receive a +C in the VC with the special votes (if any) taking effect to the order of wagons at EOD.

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

[Chaqa]

Why not Agent?

Anyway dargo's info doesn't really help much. Jamie is either doc or scum.

If he was Agent I would be dead

man, xorx seems like he's posting a lot of quick posts on pg 99 to explain why he's not reaver. I can't recall ever seeing him use a smiley. Am I the only one who sees this? probably just me.

So maybe I should read Jamie?

I don't think you need to waste it there.
If I have a +2 vote, Jamie is the Doc.
If I don't have a +2 vote, we lynch Jamie tomorrow. If he flips Customs, I'm ok. If he flips Reaver, I'm also Reaver (but that won't happen.)

No, see, that gives reaver!xorxes time during N2 to make another reaver. We need to get you cleared again.


It's a good idea to scan jamie to verify what happened.
We'll go into the lynch having sorted out:

• the gold/jamie CC,
• jamie as potential reaver prime, and
• clear up the question xorxes' alignment

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It'd be great to have him towncleared again.
If jamie scans as mafia, he was roleblocker. xorx is clear. we decide whether we want the roleblocker around, or to leave him alive to prevent other powers from activating.

If jamie scans as reaver, we lynch him immediately, then xorx. nuke them from orbit just to be sure.

If jamie scans as doc, we lynch goldfinger.

Worcej would be next. I think he's mafia and not BH, but it's dangerous leaving him alive.


##callGM - can the reaver conversion action be roleblocked?

This seems like a solid idea.

[Jamiet99uk]

##callGM - If the captain has been turned into a reaver, does the player still get a +c in the VC, even if he's now a reaver? Can we have an official VC please?

1. The player will still receive a +C in the VC with the special votes (if any) taking effect to the order of wagons at EOD.

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

I believe "C" is a variable.

[xorxes]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

We need to hear who Hosuke roleblocked before discussing that.

Do we not already know that I'm the only person who visited you?

You know I didn't Roleblock you.

Roleblock doesn't work like that this game.

[damo666]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

He wouldn't know would he?

[Jamiet99uk]

We need to hear who Hosuke roleblocked before discussing that.

Do we not already know that I'm the only person who visited you?

You know I didn't Roleblock you.

Roleblock doesn't work like that this game.

What do you mean? Roleblockers don't visit?

[Jamiet99uk]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

He wouldn't know would he?

Normally a player is told if they are Roleblocked.

[xorxes]

##callGM - If the captain has been turned into a reaver, does the player still get a +c in the VC, even if he's now a reaver? Can we have an official VC please?

1. The player will still receive a +C in the VC with the special votes (if any) taking effect to the order of wagons at EOD.

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

I would lose the votes, but not the (C) for some reason.

[Chaqa]

Wow I was drunk last night. Sorry for being quite so salty.

I am 100% the Doctor.

I visited Xorxes last night on the assumption the Mafia might try to kill him as he would not be mislynchable.

Goldfinger is lying.

Bozo is probably scum too.

Please scan me, reader, so we can resolve this.

##VOTE GOLDFINGER

I do tend to believe Jamie here.

[Chaqa]

Wondering...

Reavers likely would have tried to hit xorxes, Tom, or peter.

Chaqa looks like, scum wanting town to lynch the town confirmed so they do not need to use their NK actions for this.

So shoot me with your gun.

Oh wait. You wasted it on Tom.

[damo666]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

He wouldn't know would he?

Normally a player is told if they are Roleblocked.

I think in this game you are told if an action was actually blocked. I think Kits answered a question along these lines. Anybody dig it out?

[xorxes]

@xorxes
You write:
Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.
If Jamie is the rollblocker, you would have been blocked. Were you?

He wouldn't know would he?

Normally a player is told if they are Roleblocked.

Are you trying to coach Hosuke on what he has to claim, or what?

[Chaqa]

The problem I have with deferring a worcej lynch is this:

Say we lynch from Kalel/Itso (the best non worcej lynch since goldie/Jamie should resolve via Xorxes vote count) and the NK is one of worcej's purported targets and there is a bounty announcement. Then we presumably lynch worcej, now say he flips non BH scum. We will be in a quandary.

I think it safest to lynch worcej first in case he is not BH.

D3 we can lynch the apparent scum from goldie/Jamie and D4 lynch from itso/Kalel.

Probably gonna read one of EMC ND or Bozo.

Should I announce who I've read before EOD?

I would say ya, though it shouldn’t matter I think?

[Chaqa]

Confirmed PR
xorxes (Captain)
peterlund (Hero of Mudtown)
Tom Bombadil (First Mate)
teacon (Twin)
darg (Watcher)
damo (Reader)
BunnyGo (Pilot)

Claimed PR
Jamie (Doctor)
Goldfinger (Doctor)
Kalel (Companion)
ItsHosuke (Companion)

Claimed VT
Chaqa
emc
bozo
Temasek
ND
Foxcastle

Dead
FlaviusAetius (VT)
rdrivera2005 (Twin)

Scum
worcej (claims Bounty Hunter)

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Jamie-Goldfinger will be (almost) mechanically sorted at EOD. If I get 2 extra votes, Jamie is most likely Doctor, if not he is either Mafia roleblocker or Reaver (I know he is not the Reaver but the rest of town don't know it).

Lynching worcej if he really is the BH is a waste of a lynch. Town does not need to lynch BH to win. We don't want to waste lynches.

I think we should lynch between Kalel and Hosuke. If we get it right, we caught scum. If we get it wrong, we still caught scum plus we get one more clear from the VTs.

Lynching Jamiet is also not a terrible option, because depriving Mafia of their roleblocker would be a great advantage. We also get a replacement Doctor if we mislynch.

Scan should be used for one of the VTs. I think Agent probably claimed VT early, so emc or Chaqa could be Agent. Fox could also be Agent since Vecna was not playing D1. I think scanning ND would be best, as I doubt that the Agent would have been so reluctant to claim VT.

I think it's more likely that worcej is reaver than kalel/hosuke.

I think Bozo is leading scum candidate among the VT.

Finding the Reaver is not the most important thing at this stage. There's no reason to think worcej is more likely the Reaver than any other scum role. Not wasting lynches is more important than finding the Reaver. Lynching BH is a waste of a lynch. If we lynch Kalel for example, and he ends up being a BH target, we get confirmation that worcej is lying and then we can lynch him without wasting a lynch. Reducing the number of unknowns is the most important thing now.

Makes me wonder ifReaver!worcej infected xorxes and he’s using Jamie as a scapegoat.

[damo666]

##CALLGM Will a person being roleblocked for EoN (and following day) get a message that he/she is?

A person being roleblocked while attempting to use a power will be notified that the use of their action has failed.

A person being roleblocked without attempting to use a power will not.

This