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Doom427 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:13 pm

I have no idea what's going on, and Doubt I will till the end of the game, but hi Everyone! I'm friend

hey dude

what's up?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:22 pm

Maybe a D1 no-kill is a good option for the no reveal game. One of the primary reasons argued against a D1 no-kill is the lack of information, but in this case we are not going to know the alignment of the DK. The other reason I think a D1 no-kill may be a good option is that it will make sure our PRs do not have to claim D1 to avoid the DK. However, I would like to know what others think.

bozo!bozo

i claim stupid, ama

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:22 pm

Maybe a D1 no-kill is a good option for the no reveal game. One of the primary reasons argued against a D1 no-kill is the lack of information, but in this case we are not going to know the alignment of the DK. The other reason I think a D1 no-kill may be a good option is that it will make sure our PRs do not have to claim D1 to avoid the DK. However, I would like to know what others think.

This occurred to me too. I think ultimately it's the wrong call.

If we win this game it'll either be:
a) sheer luck from getting enough ~random kills right, in which case we want to take more shots
b) we'll confirm enough alignments from PR play or brainbombesque obviousness to solve the game like we normally would, in which case we'll want voting info

The normal arguments against no-killing thus hold.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:38 pm

i claim stupid, ama

Definitive proof that nurture > nature

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:35 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:34 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:26 pm

Wouldn't the logical conclusion of this for town to never make a daykill until they have to?

And when it will be? And how does town know it?

Exactly. I don't think no kill can work too well, but maybe for a day or two.

I think a more interesting discussion is about whether the Miller should claim. I think probably so?

Nah, this is the boring play. If the Miller claims now, they'll be NKed at some point, and we'll gain nothing. If they wait, we have a chance at a clear later.

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:40 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:38 pm

i claim stupid, ama

Definitive proof that nurture > nature

Are you Bona's father?

Ok now that I've solved mechanics, let's move on to killing Chaqa.

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:41 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:35 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:34 pm

And when it will be? And how does town know it?

Exactly. I don't think no kill can work too well, but maybe for a day or two.

I think a more interesting discussion is about whether the Miller should claim. I think probably so?

Nah, this is the boring play. If the Miller claims now, they'll be NKed at some point, and we'll gain nothing. If they wait, we have a chance at a clear later.

How can the miller be a clear?

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:36 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:00 pm

##VOTE BONATOGETHER
##END

are you even in this game

One need not be in this game to know that killing you is the correct play my very old, super old, Bona.

##VOTE BONATOGETHER

No we should kill, I didn't play this game to do absolutely nothing but sit and get picked off

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:43 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:41 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Exactly. I don't think no kill can work too well, but maybe for a day or two.

I think a more interesting discussion is about whether the Miller should claim. I think probably so?

Nah, this is the boring play. If the Miller claims now, they'll be NKed at some point, and we'll gain nothing. If they wait, we have a chance at a clear later.

How can the miller be a clear?

Well, any Miller who has their role claimed is gonna CC because they don't have any value hidden, so an unCCed Miller means either they're clear or the real Miller is dead.

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

No we should kill, I didn't play this game to do absolutely nothing but sit and get picked off

Bet.

##Vote Durga

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:45 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:43 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:41 pm

Nah, this is the boring play. If the Miller claims now, they'll be NKed at some point, and we'll gain nothing. If they wait, we have a chance at a clear later.

How can the miller be a clear?

Well, any Miller who has their role claimed is gonna CC because they don't have any value hidden, so an unCCed Miller means either they're clear or the real Miller is dead.

Right, so shouldn't Miller claim as early as possible so there's no chance mafia claims it later and gets away with something?

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

No we should kill, I didn't play this game to do absolutely nothing but sit and get picked off

This is also a compelling argument against no-kill, tbh

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:45 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

No we should kill, I didn't play this game to do absolutely nothing but sit and get picked off

Bet.

##Vote Durga

You know I'm always looking for an excuse to vote you right, don't make it sooo easy Chaqa

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:44 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:36 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:00 pm

##VOTE BONATOGETHER
##END

are you even in this game

One need not be in this game to know that killing you is the correct play my very old, super old, Bona.

##VOTE BONATOGETHER

##vote flyingboat

what a sheep

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:22 pm

Maybe a D1 no-kill is a good option for the no reveal game. One of the primary reasons argued against a D1 no-kill is the lack of information, but in this case we are not going to know the alignment of the DK. The other reason I think a D1 no-kill may be a good option is that it will make sure our PRs do not have to claim D1 to avoid the DK. However, I would like to know what others think.

I don't see the point if deterring the inevitable. We have to kill scum to win. May as well start day 1.

PE is town.

##vote Chaqa

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:46 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:45 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:43 pm

How can the miller be a clear?

Well, any Miller who has their role claimed is gonna CC because they don't have any value hidden, so an unCCed Miller means either they're clear or the real Miller is dead.

Right, so shouldn't Miller claim as early as possible so there's no chance mafia claims it later and gets away with something?

Nah, I think it's worth that risk, cause we can get a late clear or catch scum lying about it. Claim it if you're dying so we know, but that's it.

Hi, I'm quite annoyed no one reminded me the game started. Anyway I heard we are voting Bona?

##VOTE BONA