M1036 Flipless Coven Hunt I Game Thread

[miminena]

the big thing here that makes me read dw as town from the jamie kill is the fact that his biggest defender died and now everyone who has been in thread sans myself is pushing him. i also think because of this that chomps could be scum and we are the worst case of three scum left alive, and they know that dw is a very easy push after seemingly being saved yesterday to give a win

the only other world i can maybe see is dw/napoleoff intending to push bunny but that falls apart a bit when you consider that it would mean napoleoff would have to be paired with will (since chomps is probably unpaired with dw if there are three left) and that case doesn't make sense because why would he waste his shot as scum sniper if he had a guaranteed shot on a mouse and yavuz seemed to be set for elimination, thus giving scum extra kp? it only makes sense imo if napoleoff is fake claiming which is incredibly unlikely

i really think dw is town here, and also chomps moving to will eod1 feels incredibly pairing with him and yavuz

i'm calling that chomps/bunny/yavuz/krr1ss as a poe likely wins the game. i will reconsider ofc if the game continues after today and i'm still alive instead of just voting all of them out one by one

[BunnyGo]

the big thing here that makes me read dw as town from the jamie kill is the fact that his biggest defender died and now everyone who has been in thread sans myself is pushing him. i also think because of this that chomps could be scum and we are the worst case of three scum left alive, and they know that dw is a very easy push after seemingly being saved yesterday to give a win

the only other world i can maybe see is dw/napoleoff intending to push bunny but that falls apart a bit when you consider that it would mean napoleoff would have to be paired with will (since chomps is probably unpaired with dw if there are three left) and that case doesn't make sense because why would he waste his shot as scum sniper if he had a guaranteed shot on a mouse and yavuz seemed to be set for elimination, thus giving scum extra kp? it only makes sense imo if napoleoff is fake claiming which is incredibly unlikely

i really think dw is town here, and also chomps moving to will eod1 feels incredibly pairing with him and yavuz

i'm calling that chomps/bunny/yavuz/krr1ss as a poe likely wins the game. i will reconsider ofc if the game continues after today and i'm still alive instead of just voting all of them out one by one

OK.

Let's go with that for now. I agree there's likely 1 scum in that POE.

How does yavuz look to you on reread?

How does the Chomps EOD1/BON1 look to you on reread? Or even his entire (and short) ISO?

Does krr1ss's EOD2 look townier/scummier by not just offering to sheep you but actively voting first as soon as you said it?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I’m curious, @Dip, why did you save me yesterday. You never said even at the time?

##unvote

Was curious about that too

actually, my vote changed it from 3 Dip2 Gli2 Bun1 mim
to 3 Gli3 Dip1 mim1 Krr
at the time, I believed yavuzovic (one of the voters who wasn't on you, me, or glitter) wasn't going to change a vote, so even if jamie voted you we just had a tie, and then even if jamie chose you or glitter (two things that might not happen), then jamie had used up his ability
(worlds where damo was the judge or glitter was the judge are obviously even worse)
therefore, I decided to switch to glitter, who jamie was significantly more likely to vote, in order to save myself and give jamie an opportunity to avoid using his ability while also eliminating a likely maf

anyways
how exactly did that vote 'save' you, unless you also think jamie was the judge?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

chomps what are your opinions

on like anything but specifically on bunny/dw and on yavuz

since you're the only one who knows your own alignment as gravedigger you only have to consider one world (will scum) so you have the best solve if town

I think DW is the one that flips wolf and I'd like them dead so my n3 check is on them, if that comes town, we get bunny i think, Yavuz could be a later lynch a bit skeptical on them but mainly on DW

##vote Diploma

I don't like this line of reasoning from chomps because any 3-player scum team would include him and they would win if they eliminated a non-scum non-mouse today
so they would probably be all shitpushing me today. Probably looking at chomps-bunny-yavuzovic, maybe chomps-bunny-bona or chomps-bunny-Kr1ss
of course it's also likely that there's a scum dead, either glitter or will, but I feel like this could also be chomps in a 2p scumteam trying to get a player dead he can easily proclaim is mafia to get towncred (or town, to get bunny dead if bunny's not scum)
anyways chomps' line of reasoning has been steady shitpush against me ever since that one time I first dared to scumread him
##vote chomps

[brainbomb]

Vote Tally 3.0

Petula had lost Dumel and now her Prince. But at breakfast she still helped prepare the kettle for tea.

Chomps (2) miminena DiplomacyandWarfare
DiplomacyandWarfare (1) Chomps

Non-votes
Bonatogether
Krr1ss
yavuzovic

Unvote (1) BunnyGo

Chomps was scheduled to die

[Chomps]

chomps what are your opinions

on like anything but specifically on bunny/dw and on yavuz

since you're the only one who knows your own alignment as gravedigger you only have to consider one world (will scum) so you have the best solve if town

I think DW is the one that flips wolf and I'd like them dead so my n3 check is on them, if that comes town, we get bunny i think, Yavuz could be a later lynch a bit skeptical on them but mainly on DW

##vote Diploma

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Common practice is a substitute with “kill” and “miskill” and “KiLo”

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[Chomps]

I hope the backup is town and gets my flip I'll instantly know from graveyard, I wonder if glitter was 2nd wolf that would be nice going to start the night protects with a winning position

[miminena]

the big thing here that makes me read dw as town from the jamie kill is the fact that his biggest defender died and now everyone who has been in thread sans myself is pushing him. i also think because of this that chomps could be scum and we are the worst case of three scum left alive, and they know that dw is a very easy push after seemingly being saved yesterday to give a win

the only other world i can maybe see is dw/napoleoff intending to push bunny but that falls apart a bit when you consider that it would mean napoleoff would have to be paired with will (since chomps is probably unpaired with dw if there are three left) and that case doesn't make sense because why would he waste his shot as scum sniper if he had a guaranteed shot on a mouse and yavuz seemed to be set for elimination, thus giving scum extra kp? it only makes sense imo if napoleoff is fake claiming which is incredibly unlikely

i really think dw is town here, and also chomps moving to will eod1 feels incredibly pairing with him and yavuz

i'm calling that chomps/bunny/yavuz/krr1ss as a poe likely wins the game. i will reconsider ofc if the game continues after today and i'm still alive instead of just voting all of them out one by one

OK.

Let's go with that for now. I agree there's likely 1 scum in that POE.

How does yavuz look to you on reread?

How does the Chomps EOD1/BON1 look to you on reread? Or even his entire (and short) ISO?

Does krr1ss's EOD2 look townier/scummier by not just offering to sheep you but actively voting first as soon as you said it?

on yavuz: d1 not much stands out except 1. his advocating for lying and 2. his outing of me. the first I don't really get and might be points against him; the second is a consistent worldview but likely pairs him with will if he is scum

also worth noting that his wagon developed in such a weird way. it got to 5 voters very quickly, but then the will wagon picked up traction and chomps made the deciding vote on will. i wonder if, in a scum yavuz and town will world, the yavuz wagon was pure and if this unpairs krr1ss/yavuz

n1 his progression on me feels genuine so town points for him

d2 napoleoff makes a push on yavuz being scum, which yavuz disputes, then he town reads napoleoff and voices his support for a dw wagon. notably, this was at a time that dw was top wagon with no real cw, and yavuz never followed up on this, instead voting krr1ss because he saw it in a dream. then he moves back onto me since he thinks i'm buddying him, and moves to glitter last minute.

interestingly, his reads have not changed, but he is still not actively pushing either. admittedly this might just be disengaged town, but rereading him i think he could maybe be paired with dw. but, in that world, either will is scum, in which case i don't see why there seemed to be no attempt to save either (and also would mean all eod wagons were scum which would be... wow) or chomps is scum, which then doesn't since he is actively (or as actively he can as a lurker) pushing dw.

on chomps: the thing that sticks out about his eod1 that makes me suspicious about it is that he tries to find a reason to vote will, but 1. he doesn't show the same desire to iso yavuz, he just makes the switch and 2. this is his only time actually explaining a read so far. in a world where he's a red neurax type of player the inconsistency at a potentially vital moment is suspicious, and in a world where he isn't, the amount of unsubstantiated pushes is suspicious

his n1 is interesting because he snaps very quickly to a claim. the reason scum might have to do this is that it prevents people from actually speculating on will's alignment without already having a supposed scum check on him in mind. not scummy per se since butter said claiming early is in character for him and not a bad idea with apprentice but scum would certainly have motivation to do so. i still think he's a reasonably good vote but i do want to hear more from him

on krr1ss: honestly i think trusting me that much is misguided, but he hasn't played with me and thus wouldn't know that, and i do think it makes sense to do from the pov of someone who trusts me and hasn't actually read most of the thread yet. i am a bit annoyed that he either hasn't finished backreading or hasn't posted his results yet, but presumably he has a reason for it

and a question for you: if dw is scum, who do you think he is paired with, and who do you think he is definitely not paired with? and do you think scum dw is more likely in a scum will world or a scum chomps world?

ok that's two questions but hopefully you can handle two

[miminena]

chomps what are your opinions

on like anything but specifically on bunny/dw and on yavuz

since you're the only one who knows your own alignment as gravedigger you only have to consider one world (will scum) so you have the best solve if town

I think DW is the one that flips wolf and I'd like them dead so my n3 check is on them, if that comes town, we get bunny i think, Yavuz could be a later lynch a bit skeptical on them but mainly on DW

##vote Diploma

I don't like this line of reasoning from chomps because any 3-player scum team would include him and they would win if they eliminated a non-scum non-mouse today
so they would probably be all shitpushing me today. Probably looking at chomps-bunny-yavuzovic, maybe chomps-bunny-bona or chomps-bunny-Kr1ss
of course it's also likely that there's a scum dead, either glitter or will, but I feel like this could also be chomps in a 2p scumteam trying to get a player dead he can easily proclaim is mafia to get towncred (or town, to get bunny dead if bunny's not scum)
anyways chomps' line of reasoning has been steady shitpush against me ever since that one time I first dared to scumread him
##vote chomps

yeah this is pretty much what i'm thinking. if chomps is scum and you are town and all three are left then scum's wincon is to push you over which is also corroborated by the fact that they killed jamie, your biggest defender

[miminena]

I hope the backup is town and gets my flip I'll instantly know from graveyard, I wonder if glitter was 2nd wolf that would be nice going to start the night protects with a winning position

do you think apprentice (who is bunny) is town? what is your read on him?

[miminena]

chomps what are your opinions

on like anything but specifically on bunny/dw and on yavuz

since you're the only one who knows your own alignment as gravedigger you only have to consider one world (will scum) so you have the best solve if town

I think DW is the one that flips wolf and I'd like them dead so my n3 check is on them, if that comes town, we get bunny i think, Yavuz could be a later lynch a bit skeptical on them but mainly on DW

##vote Diploma

why do you think dw is more likely scum? how would the jamie nk fit into this?

also @chomps answer these pls

[miminena]

worth making a reads list tbh

lock town in most worlds: napoleoff

leaning town but will probably rethink this on future days if there are any: dw

scummy by virtue of not yet being towny: krr1ss

honestly could go either way but def leaning scum: yavuz

safest kill and had a very weird eod1 and also has the same amount of posts as the GM: chomps

honestly really scummy on their own and also an easy push who has not been pushed yet except by the person who is most unpaired with him which looks very bad imo: bunny

lock scum: mimi

[BunnyGo]

<big snip>
on krr1ss: honestly i think trusting me that much is misguided, but he hasn't played with me and thus wouldn't know that, and i do think it makes sense to do from the pov of someone who trusts me and hasn't actually read most of the thread yet. i am a bit annoyed that he either hasn't finished backreading or hasn't posted his results yet, but presumably he has a reason for it

and a question for you: if dw is scum, who do you think he is paired with, and who do you think he is definitely not paired with? and do you think scum dw is more likely in a scum will world or a scum chomps world?

ok that's two questions but hopefully you can handle two

One thing I've been pondering: I don't think I've ever seen you play scum. But if you can play like this, I'm impressed.

On dw: Assuming he is scum, then I think Just is definitely a pair, and yavu definitely UNPAIRED. I think kr1ss is most likely candidate for 3rd member of that team (dw-Just-Buttr1ss)

I like you second question, very correct way to look at it.

If Just is scum, then yes, I see no reason to clear dw at all.

If Chomps is scum AND Just is town (there's a weird world where both are, but I'll not address it), then I think dw-Chomps are only paired if they decided to start arguing/bussing for credit D2. Certainly possible, but less likely than in a town!Chomps world.

So to summarize: Possible in both worlds, but more likely in a town!Chomps world (scum!Just).

[BunnyGo]

worth making a reads list tbh

lock town in most worlds: napoleoff

leaning town but will probably rethink this on future days if there are any: dw

scummy by virtue of not yet being towny: krr1ss

honestly could go either way but def leaning scum: yavuz

safest kill and had a very weird eod1 and also has the same amount of posts as the GM: chomps

honestly really scummy on their own and also an easy push who has not been pushed yet except by the person who is most unpaired with him which looks very bad imo: bunny

lock scum: mimi

Why did you save me yesterday? What do you make of kr1ss encouraging you to save me?

[BunnyGo]

sorry about the messed up quote structure.

Hard to edit on phone.

[miminena]

ok i just made a reads list putting you at the bottom but the fact that you're interacting puts you above yavuz

[miminena]

worth making a reads list tbh

lock town in most worlds: napoleoff

leaning town but will probably rethink this on future days if there are any: dw

scummy by virtue of not yet being towny: krr1ss

honestly could go either way but def leaning scum: yavuz

safest kill and had a very weird eod1 and also has the same amount of posts as the GM: chomps

honestly really scummy on their own and also an easy push who has not been pushed yet except by the person who is most unpaired with him which looks very bad imo: bunny

lock scum: mimi

Why did you save me yesterday? What do you make of kr1ss encouraging you to save me?

i'll respond to the wall in a bit but this is easier to answer so i'll do it first

even though you were a grey area for me, i didn't want to lose sight of the damo poe. there has to be a reason he died, and both being towny and pr hunt seem unlikely, so i think there was most likely scum in his reads

[miminena]

as for what i think of krr1ss pushing me to do so, i addressed this in my wall, i think it's reasonable for someone in his position but am a bit annoyed that he hasn't follow up on his back reading yet

[BunnyGo]

ok i just made a reads list putting you at the bottom but the fact that you're interacting puts you above yavuz

why?

[miminena]

ok i just made a reads list putting you at the bottom but the fact that you're interacting puts you above yavuz

why?

there are three people who have substantially interacted so far, and the fact that you're one of them an that you're seriously considering a world with dw as town makes me lean you more towny than i did. granted, i still think you're on the scummy side but certainly less than before