MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

Errors you made when you were town?

Yeah; inconsistencies, bad memory leading to posting something patently untrue, etc.

Okay, then if you know that you've done similar things as town, why do you scumread lfishl for doing them?

It's the best I have right now. There's a list of people I wouldn't put up right now, and that's not saying anything about their alignment. I don't really have a scumread I would jump at; all I have are "yeah, you might be town?" reads.

[damo666]

For example, this post:

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

now looks like a big townslip. And in a way that is hard to fake.

Remember my name

[brainbomb]

I'd put ghug, kgray, bunny, and maybe donny in this category, off the top of my head.

in fact of this list youve only pushed myself and kgray. hamilton brian wasnt listed on here

[Hamilton Brian]

@ifishl, would you amend the comment of yours I linked to? It did seem to have some notable contradictions, as others besides me, have pointed out.

[brainbomb]

maybe bona is scum with bunny and ghug here actually. just using some ultra rigid method to get good players killed

[damo666]

itd be awesome to have a N0 cop. its pretty normal on most sites

@brain please stop referencing other sites

it's irrelevant

[celaph]

@celaph, how much weight do you think is reasonable in attributing to previous game performances? I'm just noticing you have been going back to a few very specific pieces to help contribute to a line of thinking in this game.

By previous game performances do you mean quality of play or particular habit and behaviors in their play? An example of the former would be Vecna who, despite having a rather poor D1, I would never vote for today because of the quality of his last two games when attentive.

If you're talking about specific habits then it's slightly situation dependent. Do you have an example in mind? As a general rule I think that previous game performances matter more early on when I have less info from this game. It also helps if you've seen them as both town and mafia so you have a fair comparison.

[brainbomb]

Scumteam or likely scum
bunnygo
bona
ghug
HR
Rivera

this might have at least 4 scum in here

[damo666]

Drunk Damo is sharper than I ever recall him being as town or scum.

Yay

[damo666]

Why do you think bozo wouldn't pick a VT or not-so-valuable town PR role over GF?

would you?

Would you?

No

[jasnah]

There's a list of people I wouldn't put up right now, and that's not saying anything about their alignment. I don't really have a scumread I would jump at; all I have are "yeah, you might be town?" reads.

A legitimate take. More people should have the intellectual humility and integrity Hamilton Brian is showing here. +1 for HB as town or at least someone town should want to bring into mid game.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Damo is sharper than I ever recall him being as town or scum.

Yay

I think I know your role too.

Ok Damo, what do you think of ezio’s entrance?

[kgray]

I just read Demon's iso and I don't like him as a wagon. I think the way he brought up the lover reveal option was towny because it was a controversial suggestion, especially the way he pushed back against Bunny when Bunny dismissed him. And his brief catch-up posts had some things that I felt were towny too, specifically his scumreads of Bob and Bona. They go against the general consensus, which makes me think that even though he's low-activity he's not just sitting back and hiding.

[DemonRHK]

Trying to fast skim n opw, sorry folks I don't want overlook important points.

51-55:

Case on macca. It mostly meta based? But Bona's defense of macca because it not good info is bad. With only power-roles in play for scum (as allegedly 4 goons were discarded) to hope they slip team-mates is a poor line of thought imo.

HR is woried about me being scum and grilling on people siding with me without questioning me. That's bleh.

Bona is dangerously wrong here due to the possibility of there being multiple scumteams.

56-60:

Mostly more of the same as the previous 5 pages, makes since as this was in a late night (for me) flurry of posting. Bob and cel come back in here. Still more null on Bob, nothing solid as far as cel either.

I'm still on the boat bona's case only makes sense if you're only actively hunt one team instead of two.

61-65:

All the lurkers came back. There is an interesting point made around bozo's discard claim, and I m inclined to agree with Maniac's thoughts on damo, even if his logic is badly off.

Leaning slightly town on macca after his posts.

Jas is either an amazing troll or at risk of drowning when they leave the house when it's raining. I'm seeing red more and more on every post, and I haven't had a feeling like this about a player since way back in the 30s-40s with one of the people brain brought over.

Need a minute, Then I'm going to skip to the current 5 pages for EoD and live convo.

[kgray]

@ghug do you like where your vote is?

He's done absolutely morning to change my mind, and he doesn't appear likely to be any use to us if he is town, so I'm content for the time being.

Why do you think he's scum though? All you said is that he hasn't done anything helpful.

[brainbomb]

jasnah most recent post argues for keeping HB around til mid game. I dont even know when mid game is.

[kgray]

Yeah; inconsistencies, bad memory leading to posting something patently untrue, etc.

Okay, then if you know that you've done similar things as town, why do you scumread lfishl for doing them?

It's the best I have right now. There's a list of people I wouldn't put up right now, and that's not saying anything about their alignment. I don't really have a scumread I would jump at; all I have are "yeah, you might be town?" reads.

That's fair, I'm finding it hard to find scumreads too. Who are your townreads?

[kgray]

There's a list of people I wouldn't put up right now, and that's not saying anything about their alignment. I don't really have a scumread I would jump at; all I have are "yeah, you might be town?" reads.

A legitimate take. More people should have the intellectual humility and integrity Hamilton Brian is showing here. +1 for HB as town or at least someone town should want to bring into mid game.

I'm sorry but I find this really ironic

[brainbomb]

it just looks perceptually flawed to say “any townie should want x”, and its an argument for keeping some guy around who isnt exactly ferocious or penetrating scums defenses

[damo666]

Scumteam or likely scum
bunnygo
bona
ghug
HR
Rivera

this might have at least 4 scum in here

list 5 players and say 'might have at least 4 sum in here'

Valueless brain

zero value

no value

without value