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Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:44 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:36 pm

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:14 pm

I feel like Rdrivera usually gets more pressure than this and he's been largely ignored this game.

You can start it, why ask the others to do your job?

I finished re-reading EOD3 and night and will write my thoughts about it. It could take a bit longer as I am on phone.

Well, I'm not sure you're scum. You weren't scum when you were getting pressure in those previous games. I'm just noting an interesting dynamic, but maybe those other games were the outliers. If there's an experienced scum team, maybe they're the same people who would be pressuring you as scum if they were town, but aren't pressuring you because you're part of the team? (Which is a hypothetical, not a scumread.)

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:56 pm

Ike is scum, and I agree with Ghug we need to force him to claim a specific role and maybe even declare his target at EON. Otherwise he will probably try to force us to myslinch a townie with a fake guilty scan or force a PR or even both to expose himself. There is no world where scum won´t at least roleblock a real PR. And my guess he is not claiming to have been roleblocked to be able to fake a guilty scan at some point.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 2:40 pm

This is dumb. This is scum trying to 1) waste Town's time during the night phase by wrangling a dumb vote, and 2) get a PR counterclaim that they can actually NK.

Either Ike is scum, in which case we should lynch him (and this also explains why he hasn't been NK'd), or...

Ike is the Doctor, or...

Ike is the shittiest cop for making himself vulnerable to the NK without divulging his scans for town to use.

I don't see any reasonable explanation for why Ike is still alive if he's town. Yes, he's an un-CC'd PR, because—against all odds—our actual PRs are not so stupid as to come bumbling out with with counterclaims.

I think it's time to lynch Ike.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:56 pm

Well, some considerations about last EOD:

I think now that Snowy is town. His reactions at EOD were really hard to fake and I never see a scum resign in a close voting like that, he didn’t even vote Telamor.

Thamrick is scum. His justification to vote Telamor is pure bullshit and it’s a good scum move to lynch Telamor and have Snowy as another target for the next day.

Ike is scum, and I agree with Ghug we need to force him to claim a specific role and maybe even declare his target at EON. Otherwise he will probably try to force us to myslinch a townie with a fake guilty scan or force a PR or even both to expose himself. There is no world where scum won´t at least roleblock a real PR. And my guess he is not claiming to have been roleblocked to be able to fake a guilty scan at some point.

I am not completely sure at Balki, but I will not be against lynching him. I just can’t find a reason to roleblock him N1 and then left him around this way and his pattern to generate some chaos at EOD doesn’t look towny.

Yav is town, his vote on Snowy is as town as it can be.

I am starting to have bad vibes about Bo, he was so sure about Snowy after EOD2 that it’s like he have some info we don’t.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 12:43 pm

Thanks Tom.

@TrPrado: During D2 you appeared convinced that Telamor and I were scum team-mates. Now that you know what Telamor's alignment is, how does this alter your theories?

RagingIke297 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 2:28 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:56 pm

Ike is scum, and I agree with Ghug we need to force him to claim a specific role and maybe even declare his target at EON. Otherwise he will probably try to force us to myslinch a townie with a fake guilty scan or force a PR or even both to expose himself. There is no world where scum won´t at least roleblock a real PR. And my guess he is not claiming to have been roleblocked to be able to fake a guilty scan at some point.

I will claim my full role as well as all of my actions if 11 people want me to out of the remaining 15 (not counting myself). That number makes it so more townies than scum need to vote yes.

thamrick wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 2:50 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 1:56 pm

Well, some considerations about last EOD:

I think now that Snowy is town. His reactions at EOD were really hard to fake and I never see a scum resign in a close voting like that, he didn’t even vote Telamor.

Thamrick is scum. His justification to vote Telamor is pure bullshit and it’s a good scum move to lynch Telamor and have Snowy as another target for the next day.

Ike is scum, and I agree with Ghug we need to force him to claim a specific role and maybe even declare his target at EON. Otherwise he will probably try to force us to myslinch a townie with a fake guilty scan or force a PR or even both to expose himself. There is no world where scum won´t at least roleblock a real PR. And my guess he is not claiming to have been roleblocked to be able to fake a guilty scan at some point.

I am not completely sure at Balki, but I will not be against lynching him. I just can’t find a reason to roleblock him N1 and then left him around this way and his pattern to generate some chaos at EOD doesn’t look towny.

Yav is town, his vote on Snowy is as town as it can be.

I am starting to have bad vibes about Bo, he was so sure about Snowy after EOD2 that it’s like he have some info we don’t.

That would be a fair point, except I'm not trying to lynch snowy. I'm pretty sure he's town. You like to criticize EoD results and actions, but you've got a pretty convenient habit of always being busy (driving, at the beach, etc) during EoDs.

I agree with you about Ike and Balki. The uncertainty around Ike is causing far more confusion than it's worth. Balki's reaction to the EoD result was off. But why is yav's vote "as town as it can be?"

I'm still pretty convinced bo is scum, but your reason is garbage. Bo is always sure of himself in an arrogant and condescending way. What else is giving you bad vibes about him?

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed May 16, 2018 2:46 pm

I'm not sure I feel quite as strongly about yav and bo as he does, but rd's analysis there is otherwise pretty on point.

rd, what about Yav's vote makes him clearly town in your eyes? Did you not find bo's logic sound after EoD2?

I agree that everyone needs closer looks. Darg struck me as very town early. He's done less lately. He's been bad at hiding as scum in the past. I still lean town, but it's probably worth a reread to see if he's hiding and banking on old townreads. Rd hasn't done anything notably scummy in my eyes. I've already expressed doubts of Fox and RHK.

I vote for Ike to reveal.