Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[BobMcBob]

No you didn't.

You made several posts predicated on the assumption that one of Chaqa or I is scum that concluded that I was more likely. You never justified that initial assumption

hold up apparently only the search page is blocked, so i can input the search query directly into a url and it works
good to know
so ill get back to that once ive isod you

ok cool you do that

oh well thats great
it broke again
i swear this is the least self consistent internet management system ever

[Bonatogether]

hold up apparently only the search page is blocked, so i can input the search query directly into a url and it works
good to know
so ill get back to that once ive isod you

ok cool you do that

oh well thats great
it broke again
i swear this is the least self consistent internet management system ever

everyone loves the school wifi

[BobMcBob]

ok cool you do that

oh well thats great
it broke again
i swear this is the least self consistent internet management system ever

everyone loves the school wifi

oh yeah

[rdrivera2005]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

[ghug]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

[BobMcBob]

will add to this overtime
this is only based off interactions and not individual towniness/scumminess of pairees

chaqa/bona - bona flipflopping and chaqa gutread could be scum-scum
chaqa/ghug - super unlikely from jamie outburst interaction
chaqa/kakarot
chaqa/maniac - chaqa reaction to maniac rb claim could be scumpair?
chaqa/rdr

bona/ghug
bona/kakarot
bona/maniac
bona/rdr

ghug/kakarot
ghug/maniac
ghug/rdr

kakarot/maniac
kakarot/rdr

maniac/rdr

[Maniac]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

@ghug - you seem to be certain chaqa isn’t scum. Why is that?

[ghug]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

@ghug - you seem to be certain chaqa isn’t scum. Why is that?

You mean rd?

I think his forgetting that celaph was roleblocked and looking for scan crumbs was a legitimate townslip, and he's now my strongest townread. If I'm wrong, petitioning him to reconsider his reads on the faulty assumption that he's town doesn't do any harm.

[Maniac]

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

@ghug - you seem to be certain chaqa isn’t scum. Why is that?

You mean rd?

I think his forgetting that celaph was roleblocked and looking for scan crumbs was a legitimate townslip, and he's now my strongest townread. If I'm wrong, petitioning him to reconsider his reads on the faulty assumption that he's town doesn't do any harm.

I misunderstood. I thought ‘burn both of us’ referred to you and chaqa (rdr’s scum reads).

[rdrivera2005]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

I confess I am not that certain as I might seem. One of the reasons I didn't want a no kill is this, we just lost momentum and I don't have any solid read.
Who do you see as a scumteam?

[rdrivera2005]

@ghug - you seem to be certain chaqa isn’t scum. Why is that?

You mean rd?

I think his forgetting that celaph was roleblocked and looking for scan crumbs was a legitimate townslip, and he's now my strongest townread. If I'm wrong, petitioning him to reconsider his reads on the faulty assumption that he's town doesn't do any harm.

I misunderstood. I thought ‘burn both of us’ referred to you and chaqa (rdr’s scum reads).

To be honest, Chaqa isn't my top scumread too. I just think one of him or Ghug is scum for a scumteam to make sense.
My current guess is one of Ghug/Chaqa and one of Bona/Kak.

[BobMcBob]

well it was a while coming, and it wont live up to the nonexistent hype, but ghug iso
right out the gate odd interactions with bona over bonas half joking vecna scumread
odd energy there for sure
then it was off to argue with jamie which was entirely to be expected
d1 voting was poor especially when combined with a later post saying it looked towny somehow
also said he should be obvtown for some reason which i still cant find
spent a lot of d2 arguing with vecna, many attempts were made to undercut vecnas analysis (or "analysis" perhaps) but those were fair enough and most people were on board with the read
vecna claimed ghugs eod2 was ghug scumclaiming but i still cant see it nearly that dramatically
it was a more interesting vote than worcej and entirely reasonable as either alignment
forgot there was a godfather, could definitely be a low effort townslip, not hard to fake, although not a bad look
went for chaqas no kill plan although that doesnt really mean anything
jumped on my eon reaction post for being scummy which seems like a rather lame thing to add to his long running scumread on me, voted me immediately after

overall ghug has undeniably played a game of mafia
voting patterns havent been great, their have been a few sticky interactions
nothing that screams scum but when up against a field of chaqa, kak and maniac all being far townier ghug is a good vote here
also isnt scum with chaqa

[BobMcBob]

just realised i forgot one of the more important things ghug did, voted chaqa immediately after jamie got subbed out
not at all a good look especially with how the sub out came off at the time

[BobMcBob]

super quick rdr iso resulted in not much
missed eod1 which is fine
voted worcej d2 after pointedly noting i created the wagon
a lot of scumreading of ghug, which came off to me as less likely to be a pair although thats entirely on gut
was hesitant to go with no kill plan but thats reasonable
nothing else really stood out except the looking for scan crumbs which seems like a really odd thing to do as scum who rbd celaph two nights in a row
seems like a much harder to fake townslip and pretty much the only thing holding him up from the killing field for me, everything else seemed pretty eh, although that is somewhat standard for rdr
definitely a ways off my preferred kill

[Maniac]

I feel we’re descending into low activity possibly because we were hoping for more from cop but now have to rely on reads that perhaps haven’t changed for many of us.

This will be the last chance for one of us to comment and vote before we enter tomorrow’s must kill correct or lose. Let’s try and up the tempo and if killed tonight at least we’ve left town with our latest thoughts. I’ll be having a good re-read of all remaining players today.

[BobMcBob]

kak floats mostly off gutread and vibes
done a lot of awkward stuff but seems very towny and has been for most of the game

chaqa convinced me d3 that he was unlikely to be scum after the vecna kill
i could still see him being scum but that makes it unlikely enough and has to come from such a weird series of thoughts that im happy to pencil him in as town

maniac had a great vote d1 and an rb claim to his name that looks good when scum were trying to lock down the cop
could be scum held rb for cred still but seems unlikely in the circumstances
other than that his play has been somewhat lacking, and disappointingly uncrazy, but still fine, so definitely a townread here

[BobMcBob]

im entirely happy with where my vote is right now
if i wake up to see any of those people in my last post has died, ill be rather disappointed
i would like everybody on the chaqa wagon to do a bit of reflection on it and whether it actually holds up

[BobMcBob]

same deal as last time

chaqa/bona - bona flipflopping and chaqa gutread could be scum-scum
chaqa/ghug - super unlikely from jamie outburst interaction
chaqa/kakarot
chaqa/maniac - chaqa reaction to maniac rb claim could be scumpair?
chaqa/rdr - another one made less likely by the outburst shenanigans

bona/ghug - got some strange vibes from early d1 discussion, one to keep in mind
bona/kakarot
bona/maniac
bona/rdr

ghug/kakarot
ghug/maniac - ghug reaction to rb claim maybe more likely town/scum? hard to see two scum here at least
ghug/rdr - entirely off gut, didnt feel like scum/scum d2 to me

kakarot/maniac
kakarot/rdr

maniac/rdr

may try to flesh this out further if we still have two scum left tomorrow, but this is all ive got for now

[BobMcBob]

well i think thats it from me for the day
im off to bed somewhat later than usual because i spent too much time doing this stuff

[ghug]

I think scum was too good catching both Fox and Celaph to be Bob and Bona (or Kak) for example (not that they aren't good because they are, but they don't have that much meta). I think at least one scum is an experienced one.
I don't think Maniac is scum, so I am back to Ghug or Chaqa. My gut feeling (and my inner Vecna) keeps saying it's Ghug.

##vote Ghug

I know I've burned you in the not so distant past, but you burning both of us will not make you feel better.

I confess I am not that certain as I might seem. One of the reasons I didn't want a no kill is this, we just lost momentum and I don't have any solid read.
Who do you see as a scumteam?

I'm lost too, frankly. I think it's probably one of Bob/Maniac and one of Chaqa/Bona, but that's not good enough at this point.