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Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 pm
by Chaqa
dargorygel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:21 pm
dargorygel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:19 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things
That is exactly why... But only if Peter, having claimed, can now shift his aim to give us info. I would rather he aims at a VT.
Because there are scum in PRs... And as long as he is shooting there we might as well use it.
I think the Reaver is infinitely more likely to be hiding in the PR group, which makes it seem like the place to shoot. But it's a crapshoot either way.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 pm
by Foxcastle
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:27 pm
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:15 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:08 pm
Well, lucky for you you're not one of the people under scrutiny, so your participation is not necessary :)
When I mentioned that there were some people here whose time is best spent on menial tasks, I did not mean you
I think it will be more telling who doesn't participate.
Again—and I know I'm beating a dead horse here—we have no idea if the rules would even be broken for posting the exact same post. So it's very possible that some slacker player who doesn't care won't post, and the Reaver knows he can repost everything without triggering a violation.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:35 pm
by Chaqa
xorxes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:32 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things
If peter shoots the Reaver, that's the end of the Reavers, is that correct?
The vigilante shot appears to be instant, and therefore *shouldn't* be roleblock-able, and if this is the case, if Peter shoots the RP tonight, then yes.
##CallGM: is the Hero of Mudtown's shot instantaneous, or EoN? Can it be roleblocked?
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:36 pm
by Chaqa
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:27 pm
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:15 pm
When I mentioned that there were some people here whose time is best spent on menial tasks, I did not mean you
I think it will be more telling who doesn't participate.
Again—and I know I'm beating a dead horse here—we have no idea if the rules would even be broken for posting the exact same post. So it's very possible that some slacker player who doesn't care won't post, and the Reaver knows he can repost everything without triggering a violation.
Sure, but more info to work with builds up the probabilities and decision making for later.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:37 pm
by xorxes
Reaver likely claimed PR.
Godfather likely claimed VT, probably one of the earlier claims, or Vecna/Fox
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:37 pm
by Tom Bombadil
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:28 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things
@Tom - I was thinking we need to massclaim before the Reaving, since the converted person's win-con changing could throw some wrenches in the plans. Additionally, peter wants to shoot you... which is fun. Thanks pete.
That’s fair. I guess I wasn’t thinking about the reaver enough - but yes. Shooting reaver would be a huge win.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:38 pm
by Tom Bombadil
I’m going to claim my role shorty then unless someone gives me a good reason not to do so.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:39 pm
by Chaqa
@Tom/xorx - I think we should request Dargo claim since he self-admits he will be absent. Tom should also likely claim to inform Peter's choice. Do you concur?
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:45 pm
by Tom Bombadil
Claiming now I think supposes we have a vig who is on board with trying to shoot highest potential reaver. I do not think we have that vig currently
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:52 pm
by peterlund
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:45 pm
Claiming now I think supposes we have a vig who is on board with trying to shoot highest potential reaver. I do not think we have that vig currently
No PR should claim now before EoN. Instead do that start of day 2. I will shoot Tom now...
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:55 pm
by Tom Bombadil
peterlund wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:52 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:45 pm
Claiming now I think supposes we have a vig who is on board with trying to shoot highest potential reaver. I do not think we have that vig currently
No PR should claim now before EoN. Instead do that start of day 2. I will shoot Tom now...
Do not shoot me. Jesus Christ. You want to shoot me before I claim! What?!?
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:00 pm
by ND
shoot Chaqa dude
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:04 pm
by Chaqa
peterlund wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:52 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:45 pm
Claiming now I think supposes we have a vig who is on board with trying to shoot highest potential reaver. I do not think we have that vig currently
No PR should claim now before EoN. Instead do that start of day 2. I will shoot Tom now...
You're an idiot. Unless Tom is the RP. Then you're a genius.
Shoot me instead, jesus.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:05 pm
by Chaqa
ND wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:00 pm
shoot Chaqa dude
In this case, the only time I have to agree with ND.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:12 pm
by BunnyGo
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:52 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:31 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:54 pm
What?
I did as you asked.
Yes you did.
But don’t you see, my first simple hypothesis was too easy. Who know what that twisty Aussie came up with. But the point is, we don’t need to know! We just need to recreate! But my idea for copying and pasting from then out doesn’t work, it looks different than the forum does.
And quoting in forum doesn’t work because it removes quote levels.
So we need to go back to the original forum posts and copy and paste those in new posts. Then we’ll trigger another warning (assuming the above hypotheses) and nab the reaver!
@Bunny - I'd like to work with you on this. Why don't you and I go first and then we can dig into others from there?
Would love to. I’m at work and on cell phone for a while.
But I did see someone doesn’t think this is the most important thing right now. Still catching up. But I get that maybe other ways to reaver hunt could be good too. Steganography appeals to me though.
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:13 pm
by RagingIke297
GM Note:
A shot rings out
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:13 pm
by BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:58 pm
peterlund wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:52 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:47 pm
What the absolute fuck?
Are you utterly mad? Do you have a serious mental illness? You are planning to shoot Tom Bombadil, and you don't want him to talk? What fucking nonsense.
That was a rhetorical question. I expected someone with "multiple degrees" to get that. I can explain what a "rhetorical question" is if you cannot google it yourself...
I studied Law and International Relations. I missed the course on "How to communicate with idiots", sorry about that.
I thought that’s what international relations was...
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:17 pm
by Foxcastle
RagingIke297 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:13 pm
GM Note:
A shot rings out
Is this the complete announcement?
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:18 pm
by Tom Bombadil
Ffs peter. Jesus Christ.
You know why mass claims work. Because we could have towncleared ourselves without you fucking shooting me and wasting your shot and wasting my vest
Re: MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:18 pm
by BunnyGo
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:22 pm
I dislike the plan to hunt for Reaver press violations. One, I think it's likely that press violations are designed to be non-trivial to solve. There are a thousand other ways that they could be designed... Can't post after a vote. Can't post after players X, Y, Z. Can't have a forum timestamp that ends in #. Can't have a post number that ends in #. That's not even including possible variability... Can't have a forum timestamp/post number that ends in a number equal to the phase number. Maybe Reaver rules are different in the night phase. We just don't know and I think it's likely designed for exercises like this to be futile.
Two, having people repost dozens of posts in an effort to trigger a Reaver violation is going to make this thread unbearable to read. That's hundreds of extra nonsense posts, all unformatted (i.e., unquoted, decontextualized) that are just going to cause confusion. If the game were just about finding Reaver violations, sure, we could do that forever, but it's not, and I think the downside of hunting Reaver press violations creates a lot of smoke and noise that will just make it harder to win.
Very fair.
If hypothesis testing for the code is less obtrusive to the thread I’m happy to do that. But I think the reavers are the biggest threat to us with massclaim. So I want to hunt them