M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

Bo, do you have any actual opinions, or are you just going to keep asking aggressive-sounding questions?

[bo_sox48]

My opinions are shaped by the questions I ask and the answers I get, so yes and yes. Why are you such a dick?

[Jamiet99uk]

My opinions are shaped by the questions I ask and the answers I get, so yes and yes. Why are you such a dick?

Now, now, Bo_Sox.

[ghug]

My opinions are shaped by the questions I ask and the answers I get, so yes and yes. Why are you such a dick?

Oh the hypocrisy.

I'm asking you to commit to opinions, because you tend to avoid doing that when you're scum.

[teacon7]

I'm sad he didn't post reads.

Why?

... Because he was town, and now he's dead?

Whether you liked his thoughts or not, he was clearly thinking about the game, and formulating a reads list in his head. I can go back and check the survey results, but bozo does tend to write in a very limited-scope sort of way. "Based on x, y seems true in z situation" sort of things. That's great for scientific method and academic work, but doesn't quite get us to the applicable generalizations needed for the game. The rubber hits the road at "who would bozo vote for." It's that 10,000ft view that a reads list seems to give. It's not a huge deal because town can be wrong and he only had two phases of play, but still.... It'd be better to know.

[bo_sox48]

My opinions are shaped by the questions I ask and the answers I get, so yes and yes. Why are you such a dick?

Now, now, Bo_Sox.

He wanted aggressive-sounding questions, so I gave him one.

[bo_sox48]

I'm sad he didn't post reads.

Why?

... Because he was town, and now he's dead?

Whether you liked his thoughts or not, he was clearly thinking about the game, and formulating a reads list in his head. I can go back and check the survey results, but bozo does tend to write in a very limited-scope sort of way. "Based on x, y seems true in z situation" sort of things. That's great for scientific method and academic work, but doesn't quite get us to the applicable generalizations needed for the game. The rubber hits the road at "who would bozo vote for." It's that 10,000ft view that a reads list seems to give. It's not a huge deal because town can be wrong and he only had two phases of play, but still.... It'd be better to know.

His reads are very apparent if you read what he says. He believes that his survey thing is a beacon of light that will guide him on his way, and he clearly insinuates that those who do not ascribe to it, myself included, are more likely to be among those who he scumreads than people who answered in the way he wanted. He acknowledges to his credit that it could be faked, and he's right. He said there are three things that he thought mafia might do, and he gave a very detailed descriptor of how he felt about everyone who gave him the information he wanted, including those who he felt did any of those three things. Those are his reads.

Reads lists are a great way for scum to post a lot of words and do nothing. Make people stir the pot and do read-able things in order to meet the arbitrary post/phase quota by disavowing reads lists as a useless waste of time at best and a free opportunity to hide under an umbrella of bad play at worst.

If you want to know why bozo died, it is either because the scumteam thought he was a strong role, or because they thought he was on track somehow. It strikes me as lazy that you prefer to ruminate over how much nicer it would be if he had left you a goodie bag with some candies inside on the way out the door instead of finding his nicely put together summary of his survey, which I'll link for you here to make it even easier:

viewtopic.php?p=185529#p185529

[bo_sox48]

Maybe I'm being conspiratorial, but I'm interested in why you chose to respond to the post where I criticized your view on bozo's reads as opposed to the one where I criticized your view on everyone's reads. Did you read what transpired prior to EON? Are you worried about your reaction to EON since it has been called out by a couple of talkative people?

[dargorygel]

Teacon also didn't respond to my polite question. He came on and responded to bo, perhaps because bo asked more aggressively? hmmm... at any rate... This is sort of the second time teacon avoided my question, which while not the most profound question, (like "why was Serenity cancelled?") was important enough for me to ask again.
##VOTE TEACON

[Jamiet99uk]

bonus points to dargorygil for stating the bleeding obvious.

The later joiners are less likely to be the double voter.

Maniac I would like you to clarify what it was that Dargorygel said, that you thought was so "bleeding obvious"? I've looked back at Dargorygel's posts on that page and he didn't mention the Doublevoter.

[Jamiet99uk]

@ Teacon:

Why was Serenity cancelled?

[Hamilton Brian]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

[Jamiet99uk]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

[ghug]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

It is important
To oft tell ghug that he's great
Lest he tunnel you

[Jamiet99uk]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

It is important
To oft tell ghug that he's great
Lest he tunnel you

Ghug is actually fairly buddying-agnostic.
You're thinking of Vecna there, Ghug.

[Hamilton Brian]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

a) I type as I am working things out, often going back and forth between tabs and

b) to ensure I meet the required minimum

[ghug]

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

It is important
To oft tell ghug that he's great
Lest he tunnel you

Ghug is actually fairly buddying-agnostic.
You're thinking of Vecna there, Ghug.

Damnit, you got me
Oh well, it was worth a try
I crave your love, James

[Maniac]

@Jamie - sorry teacon needs bonus points.

[bo_sox48]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

a) I type as I am working things out, often going back and forth between tabs and

b) to ensure I meet the required minimum

I like this answer

[bo_sox48]

Yep, HB is town. Happy day.