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darg I know this is my first impression as I catch up but while you're correct, either you have 2 votes today or you don't and we kill you D3

scum!darg might already know the answer to my call gm, aka that killing brain cancels the steal and you get to live for another day

you might even be brave enough to claim to use vote steal again and make it all the way to D4

again, hypothetically, this is just my first reaction after EON

DemonRHK wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:21 pm

Also, it shouldn't need to be said, but if brain gave you something DON'T SAY A FUCKIN THING

brain gave me ligma

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:22 pm

darg I know this is my first impression as I catch up but while you're correct, either you have 2 votes today or you don't and we kill you D3

scum!darg might already know the answer to my call gm, aka that killing brain cancels the steal and you get to live for another day

you might even be brave enough to claim to use vote steal again and make it all the way to D4

again, hypothetically, this is just my first reaction after EON

Yeah I already asked the GM, ill have two votes. I clearly didn't yesterday.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:22 pm

darg I know this is my first impression as I catch up but while you're correct, either you have 2 votes today or you don't and we kill you D3

scum!darg might already know the answer to my call gm, aka that killing brain cancels the steal and you get to live for another day

you might even be brave enough to claim to use vote steal again and make it all the way to D4

again, hypothetically, this is just my first reaction after EON

Yeah I already asked the GM, ill have two votes. I clearly didn't yesterday.

Ah okay ty so you'll either be conf!town tonight and dead tomorrow or conf!scum tonight and dead tomorrow

also ofc you didn't have two votes yesterday because that would make you obviously paladin

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:30 pm

also ofc you didn't have two votes yesterday because that would make you obviously paladin

Aye, that was my point earlier. I regretted making it, because perhaps scum was asleep and didn’t think of it, and cc, without seeing we have a simple confirmation process.

Wait, maybe they still are unaware.... shhh!

Who are yiu gonna vote for, pyxxyx?

I guess there's a question of, is this all a Barbarian play by darg to get killed? Barbarian is only useful if it dies.

That's not a bad scum play, especially if darg was (un)lucky enough to be a top D1 wagon.

Should we be re-examing the D1 darg voters? Were they bussing from D1 to set this up?

For transparency, I was one of them until he claimed.

Actually no it can wait until after EOD today when we know for sure if darg is lying or not. And if darg is a Barb, we'll want to try and force someone we think is scum to be the first voter and take the vengeful hit, and that's just easier to analyze after today.

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:16 pm

wait

##CALL GM

Does the darg's vote steal still go through given brain died?

##GM Note: as per the order of operations, a vote steal happens before a kill and would remain valid.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:57 pm

Princess Neon wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:53 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:41 pm

So who would specifically want brain dead?

Tom. You.

Tom, who never voted for brain, and said he was just being brain ? And me, who admitted i was tunelling and wrong? Anyone else?

are you being dense right now

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:35 pm

I guess there's a question of, is this all a Barbarian play by darg to get killed? Barbarian is only useful if it dies.

That's not a bad scum play, especially if darg was (un)lucky enough to be a top D1 wagon.

Should we be re-examing the D1 darg voters? Were they bussing from D1 to set this up?

For transparency, I was one of them until he claimed.

Actually no it can wait until after EOD today when we know for sure if darg is lying or not. And if darg is a Barb, we'll want to try and force someone we think is scum to be the first voter and take the vengeful hit, and that's just easier to analyze after today.

Ut oh... ugh me be caught.

Actually, not bad thinking pyxxy. It would even explain my lack of self defense. But not my claim.

i think ryxxy and rhk are both very town

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:35 pm

Who are yiu gonna vote for, pyxxyx?

No one is screaming scum to me, which means I'm still just as bad at scumreading as all my prior games.

My top choices are probably bozo or bo, as explained in this post
viewtopic.php?p=314337#p314337

Bozobo-bo Bo-zozo

Wait, is this what people use pressure votes for? I want to see some work from bozo...so I should vote for him until he does better?

##VOTE bozo

I will note that I'm kinda sheeping brain's logic about bozo, to an extent. I am not blindly voting for bozo though.

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:40 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:57 pm

Princess Neon wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:53 pm

Tom. You.

Tom, who never voted for brain, and said he was just being brain ? And me, who admitted i was tunelling and wrong? Anyone else?

are you being dense right now

Not that i lnow of. What am i missing

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:35 pm

I guess there's a question of, is this all a Barbarian play by darg to get killed? Barbarian is only useful if it dies.

That's not a bad scum play, especially if darg was (un)lucky enough to be a top D1 wagon.

Should we be re-examing the D1 darg voters? Were they bussing from D1 to set this up?

For transparency, I was one of them until he claimed.

Actually no it can wait until after EOD today when we know for sure if darg is lying or not. And if darg is a Barb, we'll want to try and force someone we think is scum to be the first voter and take the vengeful hit, and that's just easier to analyze after today.

this doesn't make sense

why bus on d1? that would have be organized with basically zero information about the game state and is highly likely to like, do nothing useful for scum

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:41 pm

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:40 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:57 pm

Tom, who never voted for brain, and said he was just being brain ? And me, who admitted i was tunelling and wrong? Anyone else?

are you being dense right now

Not that i lnow of. What am i missing

brainbomb was nightkilled, you and tom not suspecting him doesn't mean much, mafia might kill him because he was suspecting one of them, and he suspected tom as well as you before the pr claim

anyway now that i'm home my rationale for voting tom is as follows:

1. brainbomb and riot were both repping confident scumreads on tom

2. brain died with a confident townread on riot

3. these are smart capable players and when smart capable players have a strong meta scumread the best thing to do is shut up and sheep

wolfu wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:50 pm

anyway now that i'm home my rationale for voting tom is as follows:

1. brainbomb and riot were both repping confident scumreads on tom

2. brain died with a confident townread on riot

3. these are smart capable players and when smart capable players have a strong meta scumread the best thing to do is shut up and sheep

Do you think brain was killed because of a PR read or for other reasons?

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:43 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:35 pm

I guess there's a question of, is this all a Barbarian play by darg to get killed? Barbarian is only useful if it dies.

That's not a bad scum play, especially if darg was (un)lucky enough to be a top D1 wagon.

Should we be re-examing the D1 darg voters? Were they bussing from D1 to set this up?

For transparency, I was one of them until he claimed.

Actually no it can wait until after EOD today when we know for sure if darg is lying or not. And if darg is a Barb, we'll want to try and force someone we think is scum to be the first voter and take the vengeful hit, and that's just easier to analyze after today.

this doesn't make sense

why bus on d1? that would have be organized with basically zero information about the game state and is highly likely to like, do nothing useful for scum

Well first, scum had a N0. Don't forget about that.

Second, sorry, I can clarify, I'm not positing that scum could have planned the entire thing. I'm saying that since scum would all know darg is Barbarian, they might theoretically be more inclined to bus him once he was looking like a strong wagon.

I wrote this and then went back to do D1 VCA and darg peaked at 5 votes when I went onto him at D1 -00:12 so actually this doesn't really make that much sense. The whole autohammer thing really does get rid of big wagons, huh. No shot there's 2 scum on the darg wagon there (I say because 1 doesn't feel like a strong enough bus for my theory).

Yeah nevermind look I was already moving past the darg topic, I wrote all this as I read the thread and thought through things. I should probably just head out until bozo shows up.