For my survey question, since the mafia obviously knew what they decided, I thought there were a few things they might do:
1. indicate they had not thought about it and/or give a not thought out answer
2. give a reasonable answer different than what they chose, which therefore might not be particularly optimal
3. ignore the question
Here are my opinions of the responses:
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:37 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:21 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:59 pm
Yeah.
Also seems wiser to pluck as many investigative roles as possible, but maybe bozo prefers to defund the police.
What would you have done then?
Recruit, tree stump, even tracker, backup maybe? I'd actually read all the roles and think on it some.
I'd consider going into debt for the Vengeful if it were a little cheaper. Maybe day chat.
ghug's answer is reasonable, although I do not see why the mafia would take a chance on the first eliminated role with the backup when they could just pick another useful role for the same cost, like odd tracker. ghug also threw in some "town telling" by saying he would read all of the roles and think about it more, as well as listing additional things he would consider.
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:14 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
Oh, I don't know the roles well enough. But I'd definitely take a new recruit. I'd consider going negative and gambling on surviving D1. I'd prioritize sneaky power roles like the double vote or was there one the GM mentioned that could vote after dead?! That'd be awesome. I agree I'd leave aggro roles for town to kill themselves.
BunnyGo's response is not well thought out as it would put the mafia too far negative, but he did sub in late.
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:37 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:31 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:28 am
I refer you to my previous question.
I meant does the reason I picked them affect your answer.
It was just random, to make the question meet your conditions for being able to answer the question.
Ok. Well as others are pointing out, I'd recruit yet another scum because with a five strong scumteam in a game this size we'd be pretty overpowering. I'd also take the Public Vanilla and the Restless Spirit (to maintain voting power) and otherwise let the dice fall where they may.
After avoiding the question by saying he would need to know the identity of his teammates, Jamie gave a not well thought out answer, even assuming his mention of 5 scum was a comment on my mistakenly giving his 3 scum teammates to consider, because it would put the mafia too far negative. It also was invalid in suggesting the mafia could let their third role be randomly selected.
Macca573 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:54 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
I would probably go:
Restless spirit
Odd-Night Tracker
Fruit vendor (the give the maf money? I think I read that somewhere?)
Double voter (provided the vote works more than once)
Frankly, the biggest reason is a don't like roles with limited uses, I'd be scared to use them until it's too late.
Important note, I did not do the math for this, I don't know how much debt it is, it may be bad.
Macca's answer was not well thought out and had too many roles, as did their modified answer.
kgray wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:38 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:26 am
kgray wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:34 am
I'd inform worcej that he either made a counting mistake or has a typo in the setup.
Are you trying to townslip?
No, sorry. What you would do if you were scum with HR and Maniac?
I think I'd still go for a recruit, either someone like Vecna who wouldn't get daykilled (you know, since HR and I would be his teammates...) or maybe you, so you couldn't catch me. And I'd probably feel pretty good about that team so I'd consider the white flag option to avoid going negative while being able to pick the Vengeful role. I'd also definitely would pick the neigborizior since it's free, and would be a lot of fun.
kgray also wanted to know her theoretical teammates before answering. Using the white flag option to select the vengeful seems questionable, and her answer was not complete as it did not give a third role.
teacon7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:21 am
again, I'm catching up and posting my replies as I go. Here's another.
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
I'm uncomfortable answering this question, as I don't want to give scum any ideas. I did send the godthread a message about this early on... you'll see I was mistaken about some mechanics. However, I will say that I would not have recruited anyone, and I would have picked roles so as to deny town investigative powers.
To clarify, you've been asking people questions. Firstly, about what they'd do with the $90. Second, what they'd do if they were on a scumteam with XYZ. What train of thought led you to ask one question and then the other?
teacon's answer is general but not unreasonable. However, the not recruiting option seems like a possible response from a scum who knows the mafia did recruit.
damo666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:33 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
I would buy doublevoter, restless spirit and voyeur with no other actions leaving a credit of 8.
damo's answer was complete and reasonable, but again the no recruit option could be a diversion.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:32 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
I would have taken the extra member, tree stump, fruit vendor and Voyeur. This will allow the use of RB or RoleCop when needed. I don't see any cheap Role worth spending on it.
rdrivera's answer was complete and reasonable.
Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:03 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:12 pm
Can you please tell me what choices you would have made if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
If not, can you please tell me why you can't or don't want to answer the question?
Because I am absolutely unclear on much and I think a lot of the ideas are ludicrous (a la Fruit Vendor; how is that a helpful enterprise?). However, given the White Flag offers 20 additional credits, I'd choose that, recruit another. I'm not sure after that.
Hamilton's response was incomplete and not well thought out.
seth24c wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:33 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?
seth's response was incomplete and included some "town telling".
Fluminator wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:48 am
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:04 am
Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:
What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
recruit obviously. Probably daychat tbh. Then some of the free ones. And absolutely tree stump. I don't see a world where scum wouldn't want that one if it's +2?
Included for completeness and as an example of a known town response.
dargorygel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:21 pm
Sorry Bozo… meant to do this before bedtime.
I would want the daychat and the extra scum.
Which spends my budget.
I would grab the Neighborizer…just because.
I would not care about the free PV.
I would grab the gladiator… because death to the enemy. (And I do NOT want it out there.)
I would grab the stump (which is not as bad as I had thought) for the +2
The +2 I would save for in game RB or RC, because I don’t see the value of low cost other things.
dargorygel's answer was complete and reasonable (and identical to my selections).
Chaqa wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:45 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:12 pm
@bo_sox
@Chaqa
@dargorygel
@Hamilton
@HR
@Maniac
@Vecna
Can you please tell me what choices you would have made if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
If not, can you please tell me why you can't or don't want to answer the question?
I hadn't put much thought into it, but I would probably do something dumb like going super far negative to get really good roles and a fouth member and day chat and stuff. High risk, High reward.
What's funnny is, I was thinking and I KNEW you would be doing some crazy meta-mechanical-analysis of the pregame purchases lol
Chaqa's answer is incomplete and not well thought out.
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:02 pm
@Bozo
I'd recruit and take both trackers to spend my $90, and then go into debt to take the 1-Shot Follower as well, which would leave me with -$3, which you just NK N1 to get yourself back out of debt.
Maybe I'd consider also taking the Universal Backup and NK'ing a couple more times. Essentially the goal would be to make the scum team completely immune to being investigated.
HR's primary answer was reasonable, although the second part was questionable since it sounds like he is adding the backup as a fourth role, and staying negative for 3 days would be very risky for the mafia.
bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:02 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:12 pm
@bo_sox
@Chaqa
@dargorygel
@Hamilton
@HR
@Maniac
@Vecna
Can you please tell me what choices you would have made if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?
If not, can you please tell me why you can't or don't want to answer the question?
I don't know, because I have only glanced at the setup. I know the mafia pick some roles out of a hat and recruit someone. I know they have money or some shit to do things with. I would probably have recruited someone who obvtowned during the pregame, which from my perspective excludes Jamie, ghug, and Vecna, and gone into major debt to get some fancy toys assuming that we can all lurk our way to not dying D1 (which means that Chaqa isn't on my team).
bo_sox's response was not well thought out by his own qualification. He also responded at the exact same time as HR, so it is not impossible that they were discussing whether to respond in scum day chat and accidentally cross posted their responses.
Vecna wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:53 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:50 pm
I would like to know what everyone would have chosen if they were scum and were making the decision for the mafia.
Here is what I would have done:
Encrypt Day Chat
Recruit Additional Mafia Member
Tree Stump
2-Shot Neighborizer
1-Shot Gladiator
this seems like a great losing strategy lol. you want to have that gladiator on town so they can self-buttfuck
Vecna's only response was to criticize my selection, but I think the gladiator is not a bad choice among the cheap roles to make sure a town does not challenge one of the mafia.
I do not think Maniac ever responded.