M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Completely predictable comment, honestly. No, really, I was certain you would come out to say that.

I'm afraid your desperate appeals of hypocrisy doesn't make you any less scummier though. If I may offer some humble advice, have you considered actually thinking? I hear it helps, though I've not seen any evidence of it.

[ghug]

The Jamie/Ghug thing is interesting.

If I understand it correctly Ghug softed/joked he had chicken. Jamie has chicken and deduced from that that Ghug is 3P.

Jamie thinks 3P!Ghug would fake claim an item he needs so that the real holder of that item will CC and Ghug can then snatch it. I disagree with this. 3P!Ghug would I believe be much more patient and wait for people to start claiming items further down the track.

What’s interesting is why Jamie appears to be 3P hunting so early and also his ‘error’ in forgetting that the 3P can’t be NK. It’s common for 3Ps to have NK immunity so I simply don’t believe that Town!Jamie would make such an error which points to Jamie being scum.

Whilst I don’t buy into Ghug being 3P perhaps if Jamie is scum and they believe Ghug is 3P then the roadblock makes sense. And Ghug did end up on Bona perhaps to catch their item even though Ghug was scum reading me (the counter wagon).

I already scum read Jamie so quite happy to ##vote Jamie.

@Ghug, if Jamie’s wagon runs away would you be prepared to step off it. On the off chance Scum!Jamie is right and you’re the 3P.

If two of snowy, damo, and Vecna believe there's a credible case that I'm more likely 3P than the average bear, and the wagon is ahead by at least three at EoD, sure.

You’ve set a high bar there. Why no just ‘if Jamie is certain to be DK then you’ll step off his wagon’?

Trying to decide who gets to be on the leading wagon is going to become more of an issue as the game goes on, so I want us to establish good processes. I also don't want to give credence to Jamie's no theories, and my being on the wagon
ends up with a slightly higher chance of an item ending up in town hands.

[ghug]

In one of the previous games they were scum together, this also happened in scum chat:

Jamiet: Sorry Ghug, I caught you in a lie and now I have to tunnel you for it incessantly
Ghug: Damnit jamiet, go easy on me
D2: Ghug has been killed, people townread jamiet. Then he gets caught

It feels like one of these again

I already brought that up. Get with the program.

I also never asked him to go easy on me. I just asked him repeatedly not to scumslip while he did it. Advice he didn't heed.

[ghug]

Yeah, it's just too convenient.

Jamie softed that he knew I was "lying" about the chicken yesterday but he had no interest in fully claiming it. Suddenly the fact that I've claimed roleblocked is enough for him to claim, and he's all ready to explain the roleblock as scum also thinking I'm third party. That's not a logical thought progression.

On the other hand, ghug makes a joke about having Jamie's item as the game opens. Jamie believes I'm serious, for whatever reason, and thinks I'm third party fakeclaiming an item (even if you think I was serious, concluding I'm specifically 3P rather than just scum in general makes no sense unless you know something). His team roleblocks me, and then he helpfully volunteers this information to the town, but makes no case either way on whether i should be killed immediately or not.

The scum explanation makes significantly more sense.

##VOTE Jamie

Also, whenever does Ghug actually put this much effort into a post as town?

He is enjoying the shit out of this moment.

Often? It's two fucking paragraphs.

[ghug]

i mean if vecnas seeing it too i see very little reason to hold off on a vote here
##vote jamie
im really vibing with vecna here
and the fact that he has notably different reasons for reaching the same result makes me feel better about it
either that or hes super good at pocketing me

This reads like you're pocketing him...

[ghug]

i really dislike jamies opening here
he seems to think he had a slam dunk on ghug as 3p because ghug jokingly fakeclaimed chicken earlier in the game?
seriously, how do you just see that and roll with it for 30 hours without questioning it once?
there just seems to be a super fake dynamic between ghug and jamie and i suspect at least one scum in there tbh

The answer to this question was that if I was right, I didn't want to immediately hand 3P Ghug exactly what he wanted.

Except that you called me a liar repeatedly in a very blatant way.

[ghug]

The odd thing is, if the Scum also suspected Ghug was 3P, why only roleblock him, and not kill him?

Weird.

The only scum roleblock is JOAT. Would JOAT RB N1???

The other RB is town/3p only.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

Something is rotten.

@ghug your commentary is required asap

There's a hooker?

[ghug]

The odd thing is, if the Scum also suspected Ghug was 3P, why only roleblock him, and not kill him?

Weird.

The only scum roleblock is JOAT. Would JOAT RB N1???

The other RB is town/3p only.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

Something is rotten.

@ghug your commentary is required asap

I just had to double-check this, but you're wrong, Damo.

Scum have a standard Hooker.

It's the Taco person. Here is the role information from page 1:

Agent of Taco Bell (Hooker)
Ability: hooker
Role PM: Although Taco Bell is not a direct competitor, it still maintains an interest in bringing Chipotle down a peg. As an agent of Taco Bell, you know the secrets of tainting food to cause gastrointestinal distress. Each night, you may tamper with someone’s food. This player will fall ill and be unable to use any item or ability (passive abilities still work). Since he has never eaten Taco Bell, Chaqa is not immune to this and can be roleblocked this way. You win when Chaqa has been eliminated and nothing can stop your team from winning.

That's not a JOAT, it's a normal hooker-type role.

However it's very interesting that Damo is claiming RB as well.

""I just had to double-check this"

mhm

[ghug]

Damo normally pays attention to the mechanics so that's a strange error for Damo to make.

Am on phone. Chaqa's doc impossible to read. Hence using Snowy chart.

You're right that Chaqa's Google Doc is awful to read on mobile. I could only properly read it when I got to my hotel when D1 was almost over.

Do y'all not have the Google Docs app?

[ghug]

The only scum roleblock is JOAT. Would JOAT RB N1???

The other RB is town/3p only.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

Something is rotten.

@ghug your commentary is required asap

More claimed roleblocks on dodgy people. That means at least one of them was done by scum.

So assuming ghug is not lying we cannot both be mafia. At worst 3p + maf (though not as I am town).

Anyway this is important

Ghug and I cannot both be mafia.

We can if mafia rbed celaph or held it.

[ghug]

If I was pinto beans blocked they shouldn't claim until after 2nd use.
I missed that bit.

I don't see why shouldn't claim D3 though.

Items still exist after use, so there's still a 3P to worry about, and getting a townclear early means they'll die before it matters.

[Jamiet99uk]

Completely predictable comment, honestly. No, really, I was certain you would come out to say that.

I'm afraid your desperate appeals of hypocrisy doesn't make you any less scummier though. If I may offer some humble advice, have you considered actually thinking? I hear it helps, though I've not seen any evidence of it.

Perhaps you could try to be less of a smug, superior, toxic asshole.

[Jamiet99uk]

The only scum roleblock is JOAT. Would JOAT RB N1???

The other RB is town/3p only.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

Something is rotten.

@ghug your commentary is required asap

I just had to double-check this, but you're wrong, Damo.

Scum have a standard Hooker.

It's the Taco person. Here is the role information from page 1:

Agent of Taco Bell (Hooker)
Ability: hooker
Role PM: Although Taco Bell is not a direct competitor, it still maintains an interest in bringing Chipotle down a peg. As an agent of Taco Bell, you know the secrets of tainting food to cause gastrointestinal distress. Each night, you may tamper with someone’s food. This player will fall ill and be unable to use any item or ability (passive abilities still work). Since he has never eaten Taco Bell, Chaqa is not immune to this and can be roleblocked this way. You win when Chaqa has been eliminated and nothing can stop your team from winning.

That's not a JOAT, it's a normal hooker-type role.

However it's very interesting that Damo is claiming RB as well.

""I just had to double-check this"

mhm

Damo was purporting so loudly about the Joat being the only Mafia Roleblock that I had to make sure I hadn't misunderstood.

[ghug]

You lack conviction, Jamiet. Your thoughts are superficial and baseless, and it gives you away, I think.

Bob, you seem to know Macca very well. Would you say you've gleaned anything of what little they had to say thus far?

I am reacting to events as I see them.

Why aren't you willing to explain your vote on Bob?

What's your problem?

I'm not interested in why I voted for Bob, as I already know.
I am interested in what you think about my Bob vote and how you respond to it, which is the entire point.

You are a caricature masquerading as a man in this game, Jamiet. Your train of thought on everything, really - Bozo, ghug, myself - it is unnatural in every sense of the word.

Someone like ghug might say otherwise, but I shalln't disrespect you by saying something like 'well Jamiet really is just that dumb'. No. You are mafia, and you're floundering I'm afraid.

I don't think Jamie's that dumb. I think he's not the best at reading people or strategic thinking, but he's still a smart dude. This assessment is accurate.

[snowy801]

I am reacting to events as I see them.

Why aren't you willing to explain your vote on Bob?

What's your problem?

I'm not interested in why I voted for Bob, as I already know.
I am interested in what you think about my Bob vote and how you respond to it, which is the entire point.

You are a caricature masquerading as a man in this game, Jamiet. Your train of thought on everything, really - Bozo, ghug, myself - it is unnatural in every sense of the word.

Someone like ghug might say otherwise, but I shalln't disrespect you by saying something like 'well Jamiet really is just that dumb'. No. You are mafia, and you're floundering I'm afraid.

I don't think Jamie's that dumb. I think he's not the best at reading people or strategic thinking, but he's still a smart dude. This assessment is accurate.

My assessment of him or my assessment of you?
If the latter, I do apologize for putting words in your mouth, but in my defense you say similar things often enough.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm starting to question my scum read on Ghug

[ghug]

Completely predictable comment, honestly. No, really, I was certain you would come out to say that.

I'm afraid your desperate appeals of hypocrisy doesn't make you any less scummier though. If I may offer some humble advice, have you considered actually thinking? I hear it helps, though I've not seen any evidence of it.

Perhaps you could try to be less of a smug, superior, toxic asshole.

Oh look, Jamie's being a dick again.

[ghug]

I just had to double-check this, but you're wrong, Damo.

Scum have a standard Hooker.

It's the Taco person. Here is the role information from page 1:

Agent of Taco Bell (Hooker)
Ability: hooker
Role PM: Although Taco Bell is not a direct competitor, it still maintains an interest in bringing Chipotle down a peg. As an agent of Taco Bell, you know the secrets of tainting food to cause gastrointestinal distress. Each night, you may tamper with someone’s food. This player will fall ill and be unable to use any item or ability (passive abilities still work). Since he has never eaten Taco Bell, Chaqa is not immune to this and can be roleblocked this way. You win when Chaqa has been eliminated and nothing can stop your team from winning.

That's not a JOAT, it's a normal hooker-type role.

However it's very interesting that Damo is claiming RB as well.

""I just had to double-check this"

mhm

Damo was purporting so loudly about the Joat being the only Mafia Roleblock that I had to make sure I hadn't misunderstood.

You're overacting. Town just check, they don't make a big show of making it clear they didn't know already.

[ghug]

I'm not interested in why I voted for Bob, as I already know.
I am interested in what you think about my Bob vote and how you respond to it, which is the entire point.

You are a caricature masquerading as a man in this game, Jamiet. Your train of thought on everything, really - Bozo, ghug, myself - it is unnatural in every sense of the word.

Someone like ghug might say otherwise, but I shalln't disrespect you by saying something like 'well Jamiet really is just that dumb'. No. You are mafia, and you're floundering I'm afraid.

I don't think Jamie's that dumb. I think he's not the best at reading people or strategic thinking, but he's still a smart dude. This assessment is accurate.

My assessment of him or my assessment of you?
If the latter, I do apologize for putting words in your mouth, but in my defense you say similar things often enough.

Your assessment of him.

[ghug]

I'm starting to question my scum read on Ghug

Why's that?