Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:13 pm
(look sabi, im being controversial! )
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I don't see where snowy has been fabricating reasons to attack you. If you're not just mafia here then your play has objectively been lazy and reactive, and loaded with crappy gotchas instead of real hunting. That's all true.Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:10 pmSnowy has been fabricating reasons to attack me non-stop and is also doubting our clears.President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:06 pmFabricating reasons to attack somebody and present skepticism toward our clears while still taking the stance that they're clears and we shouldn't vote them is exactly what a mafia in the POE would do while employing a strategy whose only apparent purpose is to make us doubt our clears.
Sabi has not been representing my playstyle in a way that I do not feel is entirely accurate as well.
do all these things also come from scum?
You only seem to be bothered when it targets you.
Your response was over the top. Stop being so dramatic. It does not become you.
Uhhhh I literally said I couldn't read him because he barely posted and was a forgettable poster. I did vote for him on his wagon day so uhhhh. Huh?Doom427 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:18 pmGhug and Sabi both put the least amount of voting pressure on Tom, who's our confirmed scum. So, they gotta go first. Chaqa is cop, full stop. You're Miller, really likely, Bona and WorceJ are town, pretty likely. Oracle should scan Bozo, cause who else is there to scan? I think that's the best choice.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:41 pmCare to remind me your general thoughts?Doom427 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:39 pmDoom says-
I dunno, what is there to say? We already are the longest game ever, aren't we?
We're playing Chicken with scum team, and I think we can make another kill without me wanting to blink. I'll revote for someone else around death time, if vote is better on someone else.
Did I actually say you were attacking me?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:03 pmWell, you lied about me attacking you, your question transparently wasn't driving at any genuine scumhunting conclusion, and you don't even suspect me or the town PRs while appearing skeptical of both in your response. So yes, it was that egregious.
That’s cool. I don’t like heroes in a team game. I like people doing their jobs. I think things are going well for town and I don’t intend to screw it up.snowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:14 pmNo I mean bozo from M69
Sorry I guess you weren't there shit was wild and he won us the fucking game
Homie you literally used the exact phrase "you've been attacking me"Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:44 pmIts funny that you've been attacking me over holding this opinion all game, yet nothing of those basic facts that made jasnah a good reveal have changed, and now youre suddenly jumping on that boat.
Also, none of the facts that why Chaqa is the most believable PR (bar W/B) have changed much, yet these things you mention now were the things you have disregarded in your assesment most of the game.
So, help me with this; why is this post not just pretty words that dont match with your general play this game whatsoever?
This is how I used to read you, but not so much anymore. I think it's a decent heuristic for me most of the time, but I'm definitely not appealing to you a ton for survival this game.Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:18 pmUniversal truth, thats probably wrong in ~30% of all games
Whenever I find reasons to like/not want to kill Ghug, he usually is scum. That usually also results in him appealing a ton to me for survival. Is this happening this game: yes
Whenever I get super annoyed with Ghug and constantly wanna kill him (and vise versa) were probably both town. Is this happening this game: none whatsoever.
Ghug, thoughts?
I think so?Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:06 pmAlso, we dont have that long. The poe is realistically 7 people, right. By the time we kill all those, scum will have won.snowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:57 pmI do concede that shit doesn't make sense, but I argue that if for whatever reason PoE gets wiped out and the game doesn't end, which I'm finding more and more likely, there's still going to be like at most 2 scum and they can choose who to kill then and thereVecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:54 pm
I think I was actually gonna let it work in your favor, and wasnt intended as a gotcha, since I was feeling some recurring suspicion there myself at the time of reading.
As for your other statement; I guess its somewhat fair, but youre also basing it on Durga who probably put on some massively rose-tinted glasses and compared my play to a very easy game we dumpstered together when ND was tunning the show as scum.
I dont think this is a particularly easy gamestate were in atm. I dont feel like faking some measure of certainty I do not have. If people think that is scum indicative, thats their prerogative, but ill only say I wouldnt have any issues actually faking certainty in this situation if I was so inclined. And as scum, I -probably- would be, because I know that that works much better to convince most people.
No reason to doubt our chosen path yet
The most likely scenario: scum kill doom tonight, same situation tomorrow, minus 1 in the poe pool.
Then 3 full phases later, we'll be left with Chaqa, TFB, and 4 people in the Poe pool. Thatll be your milo most likely.
Are you really feeling confident we'll have won this game before that situation? I really dont think you feel its as easy as killing me. You know I wouldve just conceded that situation. Even if its me and someone else.....who could realistically be my partner for me to feel it worthwhile putting up any sort of fight? Surely only Worcej + Bona?
Ok, so I did.Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:14 pmDid I actually say you were attacking me?President Eden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:03 pmWell, you lied about me attacking you, your question transparently wasn't driving at any genuine scumhunting conclusion, and you don't even suspect me or the town PRs while appearing skeptical of both in your response. So yes, it was that egregious.
He wasn't being a hero he just destroyed Vecna (and by proxy me, who was townclear) with a stupendous barrage facts and logicBunnyGo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:15 pmThat’s cool. I don’t like heroes in a team game. I like people doing their jobs. I think things are going well for town and I don’t intend to screw it up.
Just trust the person that called out Chaqa the dog person.
That’s cool.snowy801 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:18 pmHe wasn't being a hero he just destroyed Vecna (and by proxy me, who was townclear) with a stupendous barrage facts and logic
Mind you some of the facts and logic were off but it was still amazing, and the best anyone could intuit given the circumstances
I'd recommend you look at a town game too, Sabi.Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:57 pmMaybe you should ask Ghug to have him tell you how similar my town and scum games are when compared.BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:48 pmMaybe I'm wrong but your posting style when scum matches your posting style in this game including how you defend yourself and how you vote/state your opinion. Why else would I comb through game 1017 to verify/back up this claim. I actually put thought and work into this. This wasn't some hunch or what not.
No offense meant, but I do not think any player playing their first game with me can meaningfully tell the difference, especially not by comparing it to a single game as scum.
Ill not hold it against you if you stick to this opinion, and I wont join this wagon against you because I think your reasons come from a good place, but do me the courtesy of confirming whether what im saying is true or not.
Id also like snowy to answer if I defend myself this close to the vest when im scum or not.
Rdr always votes his weak teammembers off as scum. Sacrefises for the greater good.Doom427 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:15 pmAlright, I don't get the rdr votes here. Day 2-RDR votes bozo most of the day, ends on Tom and says he'll swap to Bozo if it's between Bozo and Worcej. Day 3 he mostly just... voted Tom, and said he thought Tom was scum. I don't understand. Why are we going for him here? Before any of the others?