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BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:25 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:21 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:12 pm

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:27 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:21 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:12 pm

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

I was wondering if Chaqa was effectively counter claiming by voting Chaqa but he's moved off now.

I don't think worcej could fake that emotion do you?

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:30 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:25 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:21 pm

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

No. Just if someone can CC. And maybe a real Watcher should wait until Chaqa clarifies his claim before counterclaiming. But you understand that any scum close to being DKed will claim and we will need to eventually kill someone that claimed a PR? Making it a 50/50 is a better chance to town I think.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:29 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:28 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:24 pm

I don't think Koala is gambler (he wants to sacrifice himself) and don't give any town points to Damo for pointing this.

The self sacrifice was a bluff?

You think a first time player who is going down the hard logic route AND is a PR would think to bluff like that while under no pressure?

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:32 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:30 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:25 pm

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

No. Just if someone can CC. And maybe a real Watcher should wait until Chaqa clarifies his claim before counterclaiming. But you understand that any scum close to being DKed will claim and we will need to eventually kill someone that claimed a PR? Making it a 50/50 is a better chance to town I think.

I do understand that. Hence the possibility of a massclaim to take that tactic away from them.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:32 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:30 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:25 pm

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

No. Just if someone can CC. And maybe a real Watcher should wait until Chaqa clarifies his claim before counterclaiming. But you understand that any scum close to being DKed will claim and we will need to eventually kill someone that claimed a PR? Making it a 50/50 is a better chance to town I think.

I do understand that. Hence the possibility of a massclaim to take that tactic away from them.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:52 pm

As if me jokingly claiming my role early when no one would believe it isn't something I would do.

I literally told brain he caught me as being Godfather once on day 1 or something and I never died.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:53 pm

FWIW I think ghug is probably not town.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:47 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:32 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:30 pm

No. Just if someone can CC. And maybe a real Watcher should wait until Chaqa clarifies his claim before counterclaiming. But you understand that any scum close to being DKed will claim and we will need to eventually kill someone that claimed a PR? Making it a 50/50 is a better chance to town I think.

I do understand that. Hence the possibility of a massclaim to take that tactic away from them.

Someone will need to check the math, but we will have two groups (claimants and non claimants). If all scum claim it's 5 clear VTs and 6 PR claims, so we need to find 3 on 6(50%, best scenario). If no scum claim we have 3 clears and 9 to sort (3 on 9- 33%). If only 1 scum claim we have 1 on 4 and 2 on 8 (25%). If two scum claim we have 2 on 5 and 1 on 7 (not sure how we calculate the odds here, but I think it's around 30%).

If we don't force a massclaim we have 3 on 12 (25%) which is the same of the worst case where only one scum claim. So, I think we might need to wait at least one more day otherwise we don't have a clear gain for exposing our PRs.

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:00 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:52 pm

As if me jokingly claiming my role early when no one would believe it isn't something I would do.

I literally told brain he caught me as being Godfather once on day 1 or something and I never died.

This is the problem with analyzing you - you play so loosely that it's entire possible that you are actually a PR and have been so brazenly throwing it out there.

And then there's the possibility that you're doing it as scum. I already addressed this.

Then - couple those possibilities with how you've been playing lately and your mood about mafia being meh. It makes total sense for a player who isn't really into mafia being so open about being a "PR" as a scum play just to spice it up a little bit for themselves.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:35 pm

At the moment from a tpov there are 3 scum from 11.

If we massclaim we are in a better position whatever scum claim.

I suggest we massclaim NOW before mafia have a chance to coordinate. There is a significant chance mafia will select sub-optimally.

I HARDCLAIM VT

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:36 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:35 pm

At the moment from a tpov there are 3 scum from 11.

If we massclaim we are in a better position whatever scum claim.

I suggest we massclaim NOW before mafia have a chance to coordinate. There is a significant chance mafia will select sub-optimally.

I HARDCLAIM VT

This seems a little out of character for you, no?

We should wait til tomorrow I think.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:28 pm

Another reason Chaqa is unlikely to be town PR is there is a maximum of only one left.
It is pretty obvious Koala is gambler.