M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

No...

They thought Durga counted as town cleared.

How is that scum-indicative??? You think they had access to a private chat with Tom and somehow think Durga is more clear than you, worcej, bona and Chaqa?

I think what he's saying is that unlike Flum, Durga wasn't a mechanical clear (dependent on Chaqa but still) but Sabi is reflecting belief that she was

[President Eden]

Same reason they killed Flum? Unlikely protect target that people generally accept as town

Except that they roleblocked worcej the night they killed Flum, at which time they could have also killed worcej, and then everyone would be an unlikely protect target.

Either we have some lying PR claims or we have a scumteam that thinks its only way out is to convince us we have some lying PR.

Hint: probably the latter to get us off our PoE

They've been narrowing our POE for us, though.

[BesharamSabi]

Do you think anyone who has played before would kill Durga here?! Unless bona is GF, I don’t see it.

I think we've banged the drum enough on the importance of killing clears, and why the kills on non-clears are strange, for the newbies to figure it out. Plus, Tom authorized a kill on Fluminator, so even if it's 1-2 newbies rounding things out, they've had several nights to learn.

But only Sabi thought that Durga was in the pool of clears

I'm not the only person who thought durga was a town clear....

[President Eden]

Do you think anyone who has played before would kill Durga here?! Unless bona is GF, I don’t see it.

I think we've banged the drum enough on the importance of killing clears, and why the kills on non-clears are strange, for the newbies to figure it out. Plus, Tom authorized a kill on Fluminator, so even if it's 1-2 newbies rounding things out, they've had several nights to learn.

You don't need me to be your spokesperson

You're more likeable

[TheFlyingBoat]

So I saw the ghug Cop claim and the durga flip before the ghug retraction.

What my immediate reaction was is that mafia is strategically picking off townies that aren't skeptical of me (Lfischl, Flum, Durga) and leaving the ones who are (Eden, possibly Kgray or Snowy or the noobs) to try to set up a CC later.

Not so sure now.

I echo Bunny that I'm a little suspicious of the worcej/Bona group. TFB would have to have scanned Godfather!Bona for it to be a ruse, though, so I'm unsure if that's realistic.

We have an extra miskill for the Oracle to save that for us! Gonna take a break from speed posting to see if we can solve it…

Does the oracle trigger on a DK?

[BunnyGo]

No...

They thought Durga counted as town cleared.

How is that scum-indicative??? You think they had access to a private chat with Tom and somehow think Durga is more clear than you, worcej, bona and Chaqa?

Tom is dead. I don’t know what was discussed in scum chat.

[snowy801]

Same reason they killed Flum? Unlikely protect target that people generally accept as town

Except that they roleblocked worcej the night they killed Flum, at which time they could have also killed worcej, and then everyone would be an unlikely protect target.

Either we have some lying PR claims or we have a scumteam that thinks its only way out is to convince us we have some lying PR.

Hint: probably the latter to get us off our PoE

This is almost certainly true, and the web of lies necessary for this to be untrue is staggering

Press on and we win. This is desperation play imo

[kgray]

You see @kgray? They STILL think the Durga kill was reasonable for killing a “clear”.

Okay so why does scum!Sabi not realize Durga isn't a "clear" then?

[snowy801]

So I saw the ghug Cop claim and the durga flip before the ghug retraction.

What my immediate reaction was is that mafia is strategically picking off townies that aren't skeptical of me (Lfischl, Flum, Durga) and leaving the ones who are (Eden, possibly Kgray or Snowy or the noobs) to try to set up a CC later.

Not so sure now.

I echo Bunny that I'm a little suspicious of the worcej/Bona group. TFB would have to have scanned Godfather!Bona for it to be a ruse, though, so I'm unsure if that's realistic.

We have an extra miskill for the Oracle to save that for us! Gonna take a break from speed posting to see if we can solve it…

Does the oracle trigger on a DK?

Think so, but someone check

[ghug]

Except that they roleblocked worcej the night they killed Flum, at which time they could have also killed worcej, and then everyone would be an unlikely protect target.

Either we have some lying PR claims or we have a scumteam that thinks its only way out is to convince us we have some lying PR.

Hint: probably the latter to get us off our PoE

They've been narrowing our POE for us, though.

Well no, I don't think Durga or Flum was credibly in the POE. Durga might have been in a few days, though.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Except that they roleblocked worcej the night they killed Flum, at which time they could have also killed worcej, and then everyone would be an unlikely protect target.

Either we have some lying PR claims or we have a scumteam that thinks its only way out is to convince us we have some lying PR.

Hint: probably the latter to get us off our PoE

They've been narrowing our POE for us, though.

Have they? I felt like most people put her at the highest level of town clearness below a mech clear.

[BesharamSabi]

Bunny and Edan thinking what I'm saying is deeper than what I actually wrote. I'm pretty sure everyone read about durga had her as a townie.

If this makes me scum than fine. Vote for me. ##VOTE BesharamScum

[Chaqa]

TFB is the most town cleared.

worcej and Bona are both clear if Bozo was scum.

If Bozo was Doctor, those are our last two scum and Bona is Godfather.

Bunny is Miller unless jasnah was.

I'm Cop unless jasnah was, basically.

There's positive benefit to Oracle on both jasnah and Bozo.

Bozo Oracle confirms two town clears and Bozo's role.

Jasnah oracle confirms Bunny and should confirm me.

If somehow jasnah was Godfather, also clears Bona + worcej.

[kgray]

They thought Durga counted as town cleared.

How is that scum-indicative??? You think they had access to a private chat with Tom and somehow think Durga is more clear than you, worcej, bona and Chaqa?

I think what he's saying is that unlike Flum, Durga wasn't a mechanical clear (dependent on Chaqa but still) but Sabi is reflecting belief that she was

Okay, and I'm asking in what world Bunny thinks Sabi was in scumchat with their partners and didn't figure out in that chat that Durga isn't "clear"?

[BunnyGo]

So I saw the ghug Cop claim and the durga flip before the ghug retraction.

What my immediate reaction was is that mafia is strategically picking off townies that aren't skeptical of me (Lfischl, Flum, Durga) and leaving the ones who are (Eden, possibly Kgray or Snowy or the noobs) to try to set up a CC later.

Not so sure now.

I echo Bunny that I'm a little suspicious of the worcej/Bona group. TFB would have to have scanned Godfather!Bona for it to be a ruse, though, so I'm unsure if that's realistic.

We have an extra miskill for the Oracle to save that for us! Gonna take a break from speed posting to see if we can solve it…

Does the oracle trigger on a DK?

Rules say “any method” we just need them to have a night to set on bozo before they die.

[snowy801]

Bunny and Edan thinking what I'm saying is deeper than what I actually wrote. I'm pretty sure everyone read about durga had her as a townie.

If this makes me scum than fine. Vote for me. ##VOTE BesharamScum

Stop voting for yourself

One of the baseline rules is playing to your win condition, and almost never is that the case for a self vote

It's just a tantrum

[kgray]

They thought Durga counted as town cleared.

How is that scum-indicative??? You think they had access to a private chat with Tom and somehow think Durga is more clear than you, worcej, bona and Chaqa?

Tom is dead. I don’t know what was discussed in scum chat.

Tom died after Chaqa and worcej and bona were outed. There is zero reason for you to think scum didn't talk about that and you're just being stubborn.

[President Eden]

Hint: probably the latter to get us off our PoE

They've been narrowing our POE for us, though.

Well no, I don't think Durga or Flum was credibly in the POE. Durga might have been in a few days, though.

Durga was certainly more credibly in the POE than worcej, Bona, and Boat. And going back a couple nights, lfischl was as well.

Gonna have to think about it some more.

[BesharamSabi]

Bunny and Edan thinking what I'm saying is deeper than what I actually wrote. I'm pretty sure everyone read about durga had her as a townie.

If this makes me scum than fine. Vote for me. ##VOTE BesharamScum

Stop voting for yourself

One of the baseline rules is playing to your win condition, and almost never is that the case for a self vote

It's just a tantrum

I will change my vote to an actual vote, I'm just doing it to be dramatic.

[Chaqa]

Snowy you can probably tell them you're the Oracle now.