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Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Assuming maniac and teccles aren't counterclaimed, odds are they're clear.

I'm pretty sure one of these three are lying? If teccles doppelganged drunk!Maniac who was swapping with the center card, then bona wouldn't see a villager in the center. The doppelganger would do the drunk swap immediately, so bona would see the doppelganger in the center.

Indeed, by the time it was the seer's turn to act the centre card was the doppelganger, because I swapped it out. So Bonatogether is not telling the truth.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Assuming maniac and teccles aren't counterclaimed, odds are they're clear.

I'm pretty sure one of these three are lying? If teccles doppelganged drunk!Maniac who was swapping with the center card, then bona wouldn't see a villager in the center. The doppelganger would do the drunk swap immediately, so bona would see the doppelganger in the center.

Or maybe he'd see the drunk? But either way, not a villager.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:35 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:52 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:49 pm

I still perform my action if I'm robbed. The robber doesn't perform their robbed role's action.

Oh, yeah I see that now. It was before the roles so I was looking in the wrong place, but "Unless otherwise specified in the role description, players perform the ability of their initial role card, even if their true role is switched earlier in the night adjudication order."

So Chaqa, can you confirm ghug was troublemaker?

Indeed. That’s why I laughed at him trying to catch you or Jamie in the swap, it’s some basic shit lol

I think Ghug plan worked extremely well. But I will wait him to comment.

teccles wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Indeed, by the time it was the seer's turn to act the centre card was the doppelganger, because I swapped it out. So Bonatogether is not telling the truth.

Oh, I just reread your claim. I didn't realize that you learned Maniac was the drunk *and* that he picked the center card.

So yeah, seems like bona's the liar here.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Assuming maniac and teccles aren't counterclaimed, odds are they're clear.

I'm pretty sure one of these three are lying? If teccles doppelganged drunk!Maniac who was swapping with the center card, then bona wouldn't see a villager in the center. The doppelganger would do the drunk swap immediately, so bona would see the doppelganger in the center.

Yes. This.

If Teccles was telling the truth, then the Seer, investigating the middle card, would see the "Doppelganger" card.

So either Teccles or Bonatogther is lying.

Do not vote for Bonatogether. I think he is the Tanner.

More soon.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:40 pm

teccles wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Indeed, by the time it was the seer's turn to act the centre card was the doppelganger, because I swapped it out. So Bonatogether is not telling the truth.

Oh, I just reread your claim. I didn't realize that you learned Maniac was the drunk *and* that he picked the center card.

So yeah, seems like bona's the liar here.

Teccles could still be lying but that's a pretty weird move to fake claim Doppelganger.

So, why Bona is lying here?

kgray - I didn't learn that Maniac picked the centre card. I picked the centre card with my drunk action, and Maniac coincidentally also picked it (at least, those are the claims).

Bona's claim seems a very unlikely werewolf claim. It's counterclaimable, and doesn't actually clear bona. It's also a crappy minion claim, as it doesn't frame anyone. So tanner does seem a decent shout.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:42 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:40 pm

teccles wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Indeed, by the time it was the seer's turn to act the centre card was the doppelganger, because I swapped it out. So Bonatogether is not telling the truth.

Oh, I just reread your claim. I didn't realize that you learned Maniac was the drunk *and* that he picked the center card.

So yeah, seems like bona's the liar here.

Teccles could still be lying but that's a pretty weird move to fake claim Doppelganger.

So, why Bona is lying here?

If teccles is lying, how did he know Maniac picked the center card? And if Maniac didn't pick the center card, why wouldn't he call out teccles for lying?

teccles wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:43 pm

kgray - I didn't learn that Maniac picked the centre card. I picked the centre card with my drunk action, and Maniac coincidentally also picked it (at least, those are the claims).

Oh, I thought you had to switch with what Maniac picked. But you learned before EON that you were drunk and could pick for yourself which card you switched with?

Okay, so disregard my last post then.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:41 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Assuming maniac and teccles aren't counterclaimed, odds are they're clear.

I'm pretty sure one of these three are lying? If teccles doppelganged drunk!Maniac who was swapping with the center card, then bona wouldn't see a villager in the center. The doppelganger would do the drunk swap immediately, so bona would see the doppelganger in the center.

Yes. This.

If Teccles was telling the truth, then the Seer, investigating the middle card, would see the "Doppelganger" card.

So either Teccles or Bonatogther is lying.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Ok I'm just grabbing food and then I have an announcement to make.

have you claimed your role?

lfischl wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:47 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:41 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

I'm pretty sure one of these three are lying? If teccles doppelganged drunk!Maniac who was swapping with the center card, then bona wouldn't see a villager in the center. The doppelganger would do the drunk swap immediately, so bona would see the doppelganger in the center.

Yes. This.

If Teccles was telling the truth, then the Seer, investigating the middle card, would see the "Doppelganger" card.

So either Teccles or Bonatogther is lying.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Ok I'm just grabbing food and then I have an announcement to make.

have you claimed your role?

if you claim then we know what role kgray is

Claims

1. Hamilton Brian - Not the Robber
2. Ghug - Claims TROUBLEMAKER who switched KGRAY and JAMIET
3. lfischl- Not the ROBBER
4. bonatogether - Claims SEER who saw the middle card was a VILLAGER
5. Maniac - Claims DRUNK who picked the middle card
6. teccles - Claims DOPPELGANGER who targeted MANIAC and confirms he was DRUNK. With DRUNK power picked the middle card.
7. kgray - Not the ROBBER
8. Rdrivera2005 - Not the ROBBER
9. Jamiet99uk - Not the ROBBER
10. Chaqa - Claims ROBBER who targeted GHUG and got the TROUBLEMAKER

Factual notes
1. BONA and TECCLES cannot both be telling the truth. BONA would have seen the DOPPELGANGER in their seer action.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:47 pm

teccles wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:43 pm

kgray - I didn't learn that Maniac picked the centre card. I picked the centre card with my drunk action, and Maniac coincidentally also picked it (at least, those are the claims).

Oh, I thought you had to switch with what Maniac picked. But you learned before EON that you were drunk and could pick for yourself which card you switched with?

Okay, so disregard my last post then.

Yeah, that's right. I sent a message to the mod targeting Maniac, got back a role, and used it immediately (to pick the middle card).

One of Teccles and Bona must be lying

Teccles seemed so believeable and his story and the game mechanics stacks up but Bona fake claiming Seer is a poor play as so easily cc if there is a real seer. Maybe Bona is playing a wifom game knowing we would rubble him and is werewolf or tanner.

Maniac wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:08 pm

One of Teccles and Bona must be lying

Teccles seemed so believeable and his story and the game mechanics stacks up but Bona fake claiming Seer is a poor play as so easily cc if there is a real seer. Maybe Bona is playing a wifom game knowing we would rubble him and is werewolf or tanner.

I think he is Tanner, telling a deliberately crap lie in the hope he would be voted for it.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:15 pm

Maniac wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:08 pm

One of Teccles and Bona must be lying

Teccles seemed so believeable and his story and the game mechanics stacks up but Bona fake claiming Seer is a poor play as so easily cc if there is a real seer. Maybe Bona is playing a wifom game knowing we would rubble him and is werewolf or tanner.

I think he is Tanner, telling a deliberately crap lie in the hope he would be voted for it.

Yeah, I see that, but it's so obvious that he could be hoping we think he is the tanner and is really the werewolf. Bona is a good player. We'll have to see if there are any other candidates for Tanner before we decide