Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

There were no votes on Will until right before the end. All of the votes on him seemed to come out of nowhere. I think it is unlikely that another Mafia player would start that wagon (I think I am using that term correctly?) on the godfather so close to the end. I could be wrong, though, but I have updated my probabilities that so that sweetandcool is somewhat less likely to be Mafia that he was previously (and others are more likely to be Mafia).

I need to think more about what to make of the other six who voted for Will.

I know I'm tunneling, but the phrasing "seemed to come out of nowhere" sounds like a shocked scum shaking his head.

Two genuine questions:

What does "tunneling" mean here?

I will definitely admit to being shocked by this turn of events. With an hour and a half to go in the phase, Will had no votes. I assumed that one of me, Bonatogether, or sweetandcool was done for. But then, Will went 0 -> 7 just like that. Is this kind of rapid pileup common in previous games?

tunneling: digging deeper and deeper on the same one read and only seeing things confirm it.

Yes...speed wagons are quite common. I'm often the one being wagoned.

[Bonatogether]

GM Note:
Suddenly, a swarm of bees comes out of nowhere and sting someone to death!

"No you fool! Not the bees! They're MY BEES!"

Foodcoats has died! He was the Beekeeper!

Sorry Food. Not my finest hour!

dim-o

[Bonatogether]

My respect for damo's ability as a player makes me think this is less likely to be a mistake.

##VOTE damo for now until I can wrap my head around this sordid affair and also complete my D1 analysis.

scum post

[BunnyGo]

Assume I am town for a minute and consider the following:

Assuming you're town I'd then question the statement "Spartaculous had 3 town votes" because I have no idea foods alignment and I'm very disturbed that you do in this theoretical scenario.

I agree...I strongly think Sparta is scum. This is not a statement I'm disputing. Read my analysis. I'm strongly considering reposting it as the 9 separate posts it was that created it.

Are you sure you do not know foodcoats alignment?

Ah...yes...

If you are town, then I think Sparta is likely town. How did scum not push him harder while also letting the Foreman go?

Maybe it was because Just had given him a 3 DAY PASS?!

[Bonatogether]

@Bona you are voting for a dead person

newly aware

[Bonatogether]

Holy shit, stop it now.

##VOTE Bunny
##END

no...you read....you play to win...

for real

[Bonatogether]

Okay, my assessment of this sordid affair:

1. Town has no reason to claim since it only invites angry retribution. New players are more likely to do this. Is damo really so remorseful that they would claim?

Scum points for damo.

2. Scum could and probably should stay silent. However, they have the option to try to earn town cred by claiming. Like such a bad play that they can't be scum.

Conclusion: while I can see town boneheadedly stinging Food, I think the choice to claim more likely to come from scum.

Maybe further analysis of D1 will change my mind or make me consider someone else to be a better candidate for the DK but that's where I currently am at.

terrible analysis

1. why would any town not place cards onto the table? this makes no sense.

2. you ignore this in your conclusion, which you make before you even typed this out. why?

nice hedge at the end

[BunnyGo]

Okay, my assessment of this sordid affair:

1. Town has no reason to claim since it only invites angry retribution. New players are more likely to do this. Is damo really so remorseful that they would claim?

Scum points for damo.

2. Scum could and probably should stay silent. However, they have the option to try to earn town cred by claiming. Like such a bad play that they can't be scum.

Conclusion: while I can see town boneheadedly stinging Food, I think the choice to claim more likely to come from scum.

Maybe further analysis of D1 will change my mind or make me consider someone else to be a better candidate for the DK but that's where I currently am at.

terrible analysis

1. why would any town not place cards onto the table? this makes no sense.

2. you ignore this in your conclusion, which you make before you even typed this out. why?

nice hedge at the end

hmm...you may be right.

[Bonatogether]

Post 7:

<snipped>

Sparta!

BunnyGo: As I am sure you are aware, this is my first game of Mafia.

Before playing, I thought about what my strategy should be. I believe that most people who play this are way too overconfident in their ability to guess alignments based solely off of day 1 chitchat, and I have even less faith in my own abilities to do so.

Accordingly, I resolved to pick one other person at random, vote them at the very start of the phase, and then refuse to switch. You can see that that is exactly what I did. Once I put in my vote for damo, I basically gave myself 48 hours to chitchat and engage in general silliness (it's the end of the term for me, so I was in a silly mood). If memory serves, I only made one really meaningful post - I asked rdrivera about lurking, and that was a genuine question. (I am still wondering if lurkers tend to survive longer in this game.)

Now, things are different - I have actual votes to analyze knowing that Will was mafia, along with the bees incident to sleep on tonight. But I am still trying to not emotions and words influence me too much. For example, I have had positive interactions with sweetandcool elsewhere on this forum. I appreciate those, but I don't want that to make me more likely to think of him as on my team. (As I said before, I am genuinely impressed by him being the one to start the Will wagon.)

Going in the opposite direction: I know it feels hollow for me to say this now, but I'll say it anyways: I was put off by the patronizing attitude that Will showed here:

Oh as per official newb shield Spartaculous will not receive my vote until day 3 or later. Lord of Words maybe bc hes played elsewhere

Even before the flash wagon (thanks bozo!) on him, I was seriously thinking about voting him on day 2. But still, I was unsure how much I was simply influenced by finding him annoying - I didn't want that to turn into undue suspicion. I still feel like we (speaking on behalf of all of the players) got lucky on Will more than anything else. Maybe I'm just too inexperienced here.

One last thing: I didn't lie in my response to Will's question about me learning to vote. I dodged it; there's a difference in that to me.

what's the vote you derive from this

[Bonatogether]

Okay, my assessment of this sordid affair:

1. Town has no reason to claim since it only invites angry retribution. New players are more likely to do this. Is damo really so remorseful that they would claim?

Scum points for damo.

2. Scum could and probably should stay silent. However, they have the option to try to earn town cred by claiming. Like such a bad play that they can't be scum.

Conclusion: while I can see town boneheadedly stinging Food, I think the choice to claim more likely to come from scum.

Maybe further analysis of D1 will change my mind or make me consider someone else to be a better candidate for the DK but that's where I currently am at.

terrible analysis

1. why would any town not place cards onto the table? this makes no sense.

2. you ignore this in your conclusion, which you make before you even typed this out. why?

nice hedge at the end

hmm...you may be right.

bongo will you assist me in going 2 for 2

[Bonatogether]

##vote sweet

[BunnyGo]

terrible analysis

1. why would any town not place cards onto the table? this makes no sense.

2. you ignore this in your conclusion, which you make before you even typed this out. why?

nice hedge at the end

hmm...you may be right.

bongo will you assist me in going 2 for 2

Maybe. I'm really tired and feeling real confident in my bozo/sparta read.

Will take a look later, but you're starting to convince me.

[rdrivera2005]

Just want to say I am alive and will try to catch up on D2 tomorrow. But we are under a several flooding in my state and I might need to request a sub (probably won't be needed).

Just want to say I was happy with catching scum Just yesterday. Then I saw two PR dead in the bot and thought what the hell was happening. Then I read the Damo hipfired a PR. This is either a great scum play or a stupid town play. Either way I want to apologize to Balki (if he is town obviously).

[damo666]

My scumlist in order is

food
Balki
sparta
Brian
Bozo
Vecna

most scum to least scum or least scum to most scum

Most to least unfortunately

[damo666]

I'm not sure what to make of the dramatic bee-related mishap earlier, but I wonder if the bees gift to damo was intended to be used on me. (foodcoats voted for me in the previous round, and I voted for damo; foodcoats being happy with damo using the bees on me seems like a logical outcome.)

damo, why didn't you sting me instead of foodcoats?

I considered you but food_s voting clinched it.

[damo666]

I get my play was unfortunate but why stupid?

[Lord of Words]

The Will was something of a surprise, but it could provide a decent roadmap for us going forward given his reads.

I'm working from home the next few days, so my play should be uninterrupted.

[damo666]

GM Note:
Suddenly, a swarm of bees comes out of nowhere and sting someone to death!

"No you fool! Not the bees! They're MY BEES!"

Foodcoats has died! He was the Beekeeper!

Sorry Food. Not my finest hour!

dim-o

Well you were voting him.

[ghug]

##VOTE bona

the opposition hates me because they know i'm right

I just want a tie man.

I have no reads.

##VOTE damo

Would also entertain Bunny for the sake of paradox.

Why did you choose Bonatogether and damo to vote for over Spartaculous during this sequence?

Ties, but work I don't like killing new players.

[ghug]

What did you think the reasons for suspecting Just were?

currently catching up, so I'm not sure if this question is still relevant or if you still want the answer. If you do, it is as follows: I don't remember the exact reasons, I'll have to check back through the logs, but I do distinctly remember that the other tiebreak (damo iirc) didn't seem to have any really concrete reasons for suspicion (I remember at least 1 vote was from the very start of the day, with no reasons given at all). I'll elaborate more once I have caught up.

speak now or forever hold this L

Bona, you should consider being slightly less of a caricature of yourself.