M76 - Dungeons and Dragons - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

##Vote worcej

damo is on that wagon, ew

I like the distancing from damo throw in. I will tunnel damo as well.

Okay now this I could get behind if you, bozo, think my logic here is sound and not raving madness:

I mean, and I'm probably overthinking this, Demon votes for damo immediately on D2, goes silent for 15 minutes, then says "if brain gave you something dont say shit" (my words) which is okay, fine, maybe a valid time to think about that. Maybe if he had the damo vote post prepared and only after posting did he actually read and think about brain's death.

But then he frame 1 responds to damo calling Demon town by reason that Demon is tunneling on damo? Like look at that, it's -47:36 and -47:35.

I'm talking myself into this while I write this post. But. Is this scum theater?

D1 Demon sees two votes on damo and adds himself to gain some town cred _whenever_ damo flips. Night happens. Demon clarifies "yeah I was light bussing". They create this interaction to kill any lingering momentum.

Does it feel incredibly fake and thus implausible? Yeah, to any extent. But people have already pointed out how this Demon feels different and odd.

So my gut right now tells me that this is either S+S or T+T.

I have plenty of doubt in my ability to scumread, yet to actually make a strong one ever, and so I might be complete wrong here and it's town!damo and town!Demon. But if one of them flips scum, god that SOD D2 stuff feels so fake, I would be convinced that they have to be scum together and I would push flipping the other one.

demon & damo, either TvT or SvS

I am trying to decide if this make it less likely for you to be on a mafia team with RHK and damo.

[bozotheclown]

my bad it was ike not wolfu I scrolled too short

I am not sure what point Ike was making, since mafia would want to avoid ending on confirmed town if possible, but I suspect most players ending up voting for town both days.

I think you two had crossed wires and were talking about different things. Ike wanted to know who you felt was conf town (seems like Ike doesn't think anyone is at that point, except darg bc mech clear). Because the way you phrased it made it seem like you had a big conf town pool. Not sure this is a useful thing to discuss so I'll drop it.

(I still like Ike's contributions)

I don't think is what he meant.

[wolfu]

mmm maybe some potential partner equity behind riot and bo now that i think about it. feels like a gamestate would want to slide their partner out of sight. i wouldn't vote riot anytime soon i'm just slightly paranoid

[Hellenic Riot]

looking back at d2

for those unfamiliar with how i do vca, major wagon is >= 3 votes

the first major wagon of the day is tom (v1), at T-47:08 - at the very start of d2. HR, Neon, and wolfu are these three voters. neon and wolfu both specifically cite following brain's read as a reason, HR doesn't say much d2 at all so. quickly slides back into minor status in 3 hours

major wagon #2 was bozo (v1)! my buddy. the reasoning behind this wagon is sheeping brain (the pyx, rdr), and reasoning that he missed a mechs thing (darg).

Curious that both early major wagons (and eventual finals wagons) were largely kicked off with sheeps on brain's reads. i figure this as either one or both were driven by scum just trying to piggyback and get off with an easy day of voting - this is somewhat confirmed to me in that of the six people who i just listed as early voters on major wagons (HR, Neon, wolfu, darg, the pyx, rdr), only two ever switched to the other one (rdr and wolfu) - but rdr was attempting to avoid a tie, and wolfu moved back to his original vote. these wagons had EXTORDINARY longevity, which to me is extremely suspicious

tom lost and regained (T-24:54) major status with Neon moving around, and he'd keep it for the rest of the day

i picked up 3 votes in quick succession (really 4 but neon quickly moved on and off) from sabi, darg, and tom. stated reasons were VCA (tom), blocking off avenues of inquiry (darg), and i was posting a lot of filler/not much game stuff (sabi). darg and tom are conf!town, so not much to say there, but sabi's reasoning is frankly weak. it's not clear what they count as filler, and i'm naturally a high-post/low word poster anyways (especially on d1), so i'm not clear what their data was supposed to show. in any case sabi moves off me in four hours and never looks back, so not sure really what to make of it. i wouldn't pick up another vote for the rest of the day (despite a fair amount of people scumreading me, iirc). to me this looks like a town-driven wagon with the exception of sabi, whose motives are less clear, with scum elsewhere in thread interested in it but never actually moving on for long (incidentally neon moves on in accordance with sabi's data but they immediately move back off to tom)

no-vote becomes a major wagon with sabi, bozo, and rumi at T-12:47. i feel confident that rumi's just town, but i find it interesting that sabi chooses to not move onto either major wagon until pressured literally at EoD into voting. sus, as the kids would say. bozo also doesn't choose to vote until he moves onto his counterwagon (who he'd been sporadically talking about and scumreading over the course of the day). not sure why he chooses to no-vote at the time he did and not vote a scumread

wolfu becomes a wagon! i was happy about this but then the wagon fell apart cause it had zero momentum. cringe! the votes were me, demon, and ike - that inspiring triad. i voted wolfu because i believed they scumslipped knowledge of damo's alignment, demon voted him because of some unclear reasons, and ike because of wolfu saying that he thought someone was softclaiming pr during the night. i think only my vote is really like, fair, here. ike's is fine, but demon's just looks bad. he also notably avoids voting either bozo or tom for the entire day.

no other real wagons form or get momentum.

blah blah, same basic people form the core of the tom and bozo wagons

when push came to shove, to avoid a probable tie (caused by me), 3 people moved onto tom, and 0 onto bozo. those three were rdr, rumi, and sabi. rumi came from unvote, sabi came from bo after repeated prods. rdr came from bozo explicitly to avoid a tie. i don't especially scumread that group aside from sabi, so i think this is a town swing, which makes it hard to read anything out of it - doesn't tell us about bozo much. sabi's vote is also not informative, even if they are scum, because they didn't actually vote either wagon before, so like, bruh.

cause it's a mostly town flip i figure scum either weren't online or didn't really care, implying bozo is somewhat more likely to be town

tl;dr:
sabi looks bad
demon looks bad
the group of six (HR, Neon, wolfu, darg, the pyx, rdr) almost certainly has scum just cruising on a path to kill town
bozo looks somewhat better
im the best

Out of interest, why does it have to be scum-driven for the votes to have not flipped? How would it have looked different if the Tom & Bozo wagons were both town-driven?

[BesharamSabi]

What have I missed

[Bonatogether]

looking back at d2

Out of interest, why does it have to be scum-driven for the votes to have not flipped? How would it have looked different if the Tom & Bozo wagons were both town-driven?

it's not like 100%, but townie doubt just didn't manifest in terms of people actually shifting around - 5 of the 6 of the group of six ended on their original vote (exception being the pyx).

my understanding of how a normal, average, standard day plays out is early wagons forming, discussion happening, and at least some of the original wagons dissolving and being replaced by new wagons, which just didn't happen that day. the vast majority of movement was either among the smaller wagons and/or wound back up where it started

[Bonatogether]

What have I missed

eden accidently posted his pm in thread

[BesharamSabi]

What have I missed

eden accidently posted his pm in thread

Did it say he's the worst

[Bonatogether]

What have I missed

eden accidently posted his pm in thread

Did it say he's the worst

no, he was the priest

[pyxxy]

Every wagon on D2 that reached 3 votes at some point, chronologically:

Tom: HR, Neon, wolfu
bozo: me (pyxxy), darg, and rdr
No-Vote: bozo, rumi, sabi
Tom wagon part 2: Neon rejoins, HR still there, this time wolfu flakes for the...
bozo wagon part 2: darg, rdr, wolfu
wolfu wagon: Bona, demon, ike
Tom wagon part 3 (the one that kills him): bozo returns from No-Vote

Idk what I'm looking for here but bozo did inspire me re: meaningless votes or people that seem to have avoided ending on town (confirmed after death).

That list might be:
- bo, for not voting (after seeing that rumi "got away with it", I might add)
- damo, voting for rdr
- demon, voting for ike
- me (pyxxy), voting for bo

cringe version of my post

you didn't even write anything about bo leave me alone

[Bonatogether]

Every wagon on D2 that reached 3 votes at some point, chronologically:

Tom: HR, Neon, wolfu
bozo: me (pyxxy), darg, and rdr
No-Vote: bozo, rumi, sabi
Tom wagon part 2: Neon rejoins, HR still there, this time wolfu flakes for the...
bozo wagon part 2: darg, rdr, wolfu
wolfu wagon: Bona, demon, ike
Tom wagon part 3 (the one that kills him): bozo returns from No-Vote

Idk what I'm looking for here but bozo did inspire me re: meaningless votes or people that seem to have avoided ending on town (confirmed after death).

That list might be:
- bo, for not voting (after seeing that rumi "got away with it", I might add)
- damo, voting for rdr
- demon, voting for ike
- me (pyxxy), voting for bo

cringe version of my post

you didn't even write anything about bo leave me alone

cause he wasn't interesting or important (except in absense) that day

[pyxxy]

What have I missed

hey congrats on sticking to your promise to be away from the game for the night. high five

[pyxxy]

What have I missed

Actually answering your question though I would say it's not that long? And generally worth the read, but skip anything demon or rumi wrote. Might just tilt you.

[Chaqa]

Night has ended. Please hold.

[Chaqa]

The Kobolds wake up to find...

HELLENIC RIOT HAS DIED. He was Konstantin the Kobold (VT).

You may post.

[DemonRHK]

Shit, RIP HR

##Vote Ike

[Chaqa]

A SHOT RINGS OUT.

DARGORYGEL has died. He was the Kobold Sorcerer

[Bonatogether]

A SHOT RINGS OUT.

DARGORYGEL has died. He was the Kobold Sorcerer

rip in peace

[DemonRHK]

What the fuck.

Well, that is one scum role down I guess.

I need a minute.

[wolfu]

What the fuck.

Well, that is one scum role down I guess.

I need a minute.

that's not a scum role