M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4721 Post by ghug » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:34 am

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:28 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:24 am
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:52 am
My only wonder is what the false positive rate is for pinging mafia on the no contraction thing
I am fairly confident I could find an example for everyone still alive in this game, sadly. The Durga one didn't even make sense.

Does this post count? I did one but left another uncontacted.
I note that you intentionally left that part of the post without contact...but why did you leave it uncontracted :lol:
Because my phone refuses to accept uncontracted as a word, it seems.
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#4722 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:58 am
Getting rid of the Roleblocker just as the Cop gets outed.

Bittersweet.

Let's hope Maniac is just scum doing a fake claim.

I don't see why he needed to claim when he had only two votes.
Yeah. Maniac, Cop? Nah.
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#4723 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 am

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:09 am
Well, three scum in a row, pretty great job even with most of them just not playing

I need to look at the voting more carefully but Kgray looks better and Jamiet looks a lot worst to me.
Me?
Worst?

Don't you be comparing me to Bo-Sox.

I was the deciding vote on Celaph.
I scumread and pushed and voted for Durga.
I made a (correct) case on Foxcastle as scum D1 and voted for his replacement Vecna for most of yesterday and at EoD.

How does this make me look bad?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4724 Post by Maniac » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:58 am
Getting rid of the Roleblocker just as the Cop gets outed.

Bittersweet.

Let's hope Maniac is just scum doing a fake claim.

I don't see why he needed to claim when he had only two votes.
Yeah. Maniac, Cop? Nah.
Discussing my cop claim at nighttime can only help scum. Please desist, they'll be time for that later.

Just for the record though ...

I'm the cop / I am the cop.
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#4725 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 am

Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:58 am
Getting rid of the Roleblocker just as the Cop gets outed.

Bittersweet.

Let's hope Maniac is just scum doing a fake claim.

I don't see why he needed to claim when he had only two votes.
Yeah. Maniac, Cop? Nah.
Discussing my cop claim at nighttime can only help scum. Please desist, they'll be time for that later.

Just for the record though ...

I'm the cop / I am the cop / Im' the C'op / I am the Constable.
Ok so for the time being could you at least explain why you didn't provide your scans?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4726 Post by Maniac » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:02 am

Morning all,

I've been looking back over D1 and in particular how much content people put into their posts in terms of words/post. There has been research done to suggest that when texting people use fewer words when telling the truth. It varies a little with gender.

Here are the words/post from day 1. Bold are the people I know to be truth tellers and underlined are no good lying scumbuckets. It goes counter to the earlier research, but is interesting in its own way.

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund
33.01 Fluminator
31.27 BusinessLamp

30.59 Foxcastle
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
19.58 DeathLlama8
15.70 Vecna
14.35 Durga


Looking at the whole list this time in colour...

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund

41.09 TheFlyingBoat
41.00 goldfinger0303
38.03 Hellenic Riot
33.01 Fluminator
32.34 Jamiet99uk
32.30 DemonRHK
31.38 rdrivera2005
31.27 BusinessLamp
30.59 Foxcastle
29.22 kgray
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
23.89 BobMcBob
20.85 Donny Dude
19.58 DeathLlama8
17.96 Chaqa
15.70 Vecna
14.78 ghug
14.35 Durga
13.63 Bonatogether
13.00 damo666
09.00 dargorygel

Make of this what you will.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4727 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:03 am

Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:02 am
Morning all,

I've been looking back over D1 and in particular how much content people put into their posts in terms of words/post. There has been research done to suggest that when texting people use fewer words when telling the truth. It varies a little with gender.

Here are the words/post from day 1. Bold are the people I know to be truth tellers and underlined are no good lying scumbuckets. It goes counter to the earlier research, but is interesting in its own way.

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund
33.01 Fluminator
31.27 BusinessLamp

30.59 Foxcastle
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
19.58 DeathLlama8
15.70 Vecna
14.35 Durga


Looking at the whole list this time in colour...

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund

41.09 TheFlyingBoat
41.00 goldfinger0303
38.03 Hellenic Riot
33.01 Fluminator
32.34 Jamiet99uk
32.30 DemonRHK
31.38 rdrivera2005
31.27 BusinessLamp
30.59 Foxcastle
29.22 kgray
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
23.89 BobMcBob
20.85 Donny Dude
19.58 DeathLlama8
17.96 Chaqa
15.70 Vecna
14.78 ghug
14.35 Durga
13.63 Bonatogether
13.00 damo666
09.00 dargorygel

Make of this what you will.
1. Why did you include the GMs and Peterlund in this exercise?
2. Cite the research you claim to refer to.
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#4728 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:05 am

Dargorygel is definitely scum on the basis of this excellent research by Maniac. We should definitely kill Dargorygel tomorrow.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4729 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 am

So HR and Bona are the 2 remaining scum according to my theory but what a load of nonsense from Maniac.

I think Maniac Bona works.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4730 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:45 am

I think scum are desperate and Maniac was bating a cc
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4731 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:03 pm

Damo.6.6.6. wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:45 am
I think scum are desperate and Maniac was bating a cc
Highly plausible
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4732 Post by Maniac » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:03 am
Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:02 am
Morning all,

I've been looking back over D1 and in particular how much content people put into their posts in terms of words/post. There has been research done to suggest that when texting people use fewer words when telling the truth. It varies a little with gender.

Here are the words/post from day 1. Bold are the people I know to be truth tellers and underlined are no good lying scumbuckets. It goes counter to the earlier research, but is interesting in its own way.

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund
33.01 Fluminator
31.27 BusinessLamp

30.59 Foxcastle
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
19.58 DeathLlama8
15.70 Vecna
14.35 Durga


Looking at the whole list this time in colour...

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund

41.09 TheFlyingBoat
41.00 goldfinger0303
38.03 Hellenic Riot
33.01 Fluminator
32.34 Jamiet99uk
32.30 DemonRHK
31.38 rdrivera2005
31.27 BusinessLamp
30.59 Foxcastle
29.22 kgray
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
23.89 BobMcBob
20.85 Donny Dude
19.58 DeathLlama8
17.96 Chaqa
15.70 Vecna
14.78 ghug
14.35 Durga
13.63 Bonatogether
13.00 damo666
09.00 dargorygel

Make of this what you will.
1. Why did you include the GMs and Peterlund in this exercise?
2. Cite the research you claim to refer to.
1 - just for shits and giggles
2 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.00273.pdf
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4733 Post by Maniac » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:05 am
Dargorygel is definitely scum on the basis of this excellent research by Maniac. We should definitely kill Dargorygel tomorrow.
Finally we can agree on something. ##vote Dargorygel
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4734 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:06 pm

I ISOd him and no obvious townclear mentions.

The 'fella' thing seems opportunistic.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4735 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:16 pm

Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:05 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:03 am
Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:02 am
Morning all,

I've been looking back over D1 and in particular how much content people put into their posts in terms of words/post. There has been research done to suggest that when texting people use fewer words when telling the truth. It varies a little with gender.

Here are the words/post from day 1. Bold are the people I know to be truth tellers and underlined are no good lying scumbuckets. It goes counter to the earlier research, but is interesting in its own way.

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund
33.01 Fluminator
31.27 BusinessLamp

30.59 Foxcastle
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
19.58 DeathLlama8
15.70 Vecna
14.35 Durga


Looking at the whole list this time in colour...

W/Post Player
153.00 Tom Bombadil
103.53 BesharamSabi
79.88 Maniac
69.00 peterlund

41.09 TheFlyingBoat
41.00 goldfinger0303
38.03 Hellenic Riot
33.01 Fluminator
32.34 Jamiet99uk
32.30 DemonRHK
31.38 rdrivera2005
31.27 BusinessLamp
30.59 Foxcastle
29.22 kgray
26.03 bozotheclown
25.32 celaph
23.89 BobMcBob
20.85 Donny Dude
19.58 DeathLlama8
17.96 Chaqa
15.70 Vecna
14.78 ghug
14.35 Durga
13.63 Bonatogether
13.00 damo666
09.00 dargorygel

Make of this what you will.
1. Why did you include the GMs and Peterlund in this exercise?
2. Cite the research you claim to refer to.
1 - just for shits and giggles
2 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.00273.pdf
2. I've skimmed this and never seen such tripe in my life. Nowhere do they say how they determine what is true and what is a lie so the whole basis falls over. And 0.35% is significant because it's 0.35% of a big number, WHAT?

Those people want to go get a proper job.

Is Cornell that bad?
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#4736 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:17 pm

@Maniac:

WHO DO YOU CLAIM HAVE INNOCENT SCANS ON?

There's no benefit to keeping this information a secret, since scum already know who is town and there's an outside chance you'd have scanned the GodFather.
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#4737 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:33 pm

damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:16 pm
Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:05 pm
2 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.00273.pdf
2. I've skimmed this and never seen such tripe in my life. Nowhere do they say how they determine what is true and what is a lie so the whole basis falls over. And 0.35% is significant because it's 0.35% of a big number, WHAT?

Those people want to go get a proper job.

Is Cornell that bad?
They sort of do, where they say that they "used a custom-developed texting application that collected participants’ text messages over 7 days, asking at send time whether each outgoing message was deceptive."

So in other words they asked their subjects to self-identify, on a message-by-message basis, whether they were lying.

Even if this is a sound methodology (which I don't think it is), I don't think Maniac's work here sound at all - there are a number of flaws:

1. Maniac categorises Fluminator as a "truth teller". This is not correct. Fluminator was Town, yes, but he also told a series of lies during D1, which he himself admitted later in the phase, when pressured.

2. Linked to (1), just because someone is Town, in this game, does not mean that every statement they make is 100% truthful, and just because someone is Mafia does not mean every statement they make will be a lie. For example, when I am Mafia, I commonly try to tell as few lies as possible. It's why I like to bus, because I can pick a team-mate and truthfully accuse them of stuff.

3. The research Maniac cited looks specifically at people communicating via text message. Text messages are, by their nature, quite short. We do not play Mafia by text message. Most of us post from our computers and have time to compose longer messages using a full keyboard. This is sufficiently different from sending an SMS that I am not convinced the same methodology can be usefully applied.

4. It's obviously just a load of crap to make it superficially look like Maniac is doing something.
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#4738 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:48 pm

I am lying.



Down.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4739 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:48 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:09 am
Well, three scum in a row, pretty great job even with most of them just not playing

I need to look at the voting more carefully but Kgray looks better and Jamiet looks a lot worst to me.
Me?
Worst?

Don't you be comparing me to Bo-Sox.

I was the deciding vote on Celaph.
I scumread and pushed and voted for Durga.
I made a (correct) case on Foxcastle as scum D1 and voted for his replacement Vecna for most of yesterday and at EoD.

How does this make me look bad?
Bo is the worst, you look worse because you moved off Vecna to HR when he got in the lead with 3 minutes to go, setting a tie and maybe setting HR wagon to grow. You only got back to Vecna when he was pilled.
Kgray look better because even flip-flopping aroung HR and Vecna, she got back to Vecna when it seems Gold would be the leading wagon.
I don´t discuss you were townie the other days.
This is what I saw looking only the bot, maybe you could show me why I am wrong in this analysis.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4740 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:52 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:48 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:09 am
Well, three scum in a row, pretty great job even with most of them just not playing

I need to look at the voting more carefully but Kgray looks better and Jamiet looks a lot worst to me.
Me?
Worst?

Don't you be comparing me to Bo-Sox.

I was the deciding vote on Celaph.
I scumread and pushed and voted for Durga.
I made a (correct) case on Foxcastle as scum D1 and voted for his replacement Vecna for most of yesterday and at EoD.

How does this make me look bad?
Bo is the worst, you look worse because you moved off Vecna to HR when he got in the lead with 3 minutes to go, setting a tie and maybe setting HR wagon to grow. You only got back to Vecna when he was pilled.
Kgray look better because even flip-flopping aroung HR and Vecna, she got back to Vecna when it seems Gold would be the leading wagon.
I don´t discuss you were townie the other days.
This is what I saw looking only the bot, maybe you could show me why I am wrong in this analysis.
I moved to HR cross-posting with Kgray moving *off* HR so I didn't know it would cause a tie. I moved back to Vecna to resolve the tie and to make sure Vecna died. There were a lot of people voting Vecna simultaneously so it looks like I only moved to Vecna after he was a certainty, but there were literally only a few seconds involved.
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