M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2321 Post by rdrivera2005 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:45 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:43 pm
celaph wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:48 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:00 pm


You liking kgray's case on rdrivera is the most suspicious thing I have seen so far in this game.
Why would this be?
I did not agree with kgray's case and don't see why ghug found it "very compelling", especially since kgray seemed to be backing off on her suspicion of rdrivera somewhat. What part is compelling, her reasons for suspecting rdrivera or the part where she was hedging her read?
I am biased on this as I know Kgray's case is totally wrong, but the way Ghug is buddying Kgray is scummy.

Add him to my scumlist.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2322 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:47 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:43 pm
Well, finally catched up (sort of, speedy reading).

What I got.

Townlean on Gold. I like the push on Chaqa, not sure if Chaqa is scum faking it but Gold arguments seems to have a towny mindset. Chaqa appeal to GM (even not needed) is what I feel might point to town Chaqa.

Bob looks more scummy and Bozo point about him having a ready issue is valid.

##vote Bob

My other scumreads (besides Kgray that I know I won't have any support and hope Cop can sort): tfb and Fox/Vecna.
All we need now is Demon to scumread me and we can have a lurker party! Rdr would you like to present a better case against me or are you just going to piggyback off of bozo's already pathetic pedantry? Do you have a response to my response to it?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2323 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:50 pm

damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:44 pm
damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:51 am
The NK probably implies one of my supposed towncore is scum.

@ghug silly reaction test

Chaqa no longer scum suspect

@Demo you just want to look at total wordcount as a metric

@Jamie from what pov and at what stage?

Basically 1 - ((PlayerCount-Bcount)C5/PlayercountC5)
@Damo: Now, and from either your POV or that of a neutral spectator who doesn't know the rolls, or both.
Ham or cheese roles?

Probabilty of no Bs from outside pov is 16C5/19C5 = 364/969 or about 37.6%. So prob of at least 1 B scum is about 62.4%.

From my (town) pov it is 15C5/18C5 = 143/408 or about 35% no Bs or 65% at least 1 B.

Obviously the same is true of any arbitrary group of 3.
There are four people whose name begins with B.

Which one of them did you leave out, and why?
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#2324 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:52 pm

Also apologies for my tone, but it is the most natural way to ask questions at this point especially when a surprising amount of the game is focussed on me. And I am rather frustrated with the overall laziness/silliness of most of the cases on me, and pointing out that three of them have failed to speak on anything else does make for a rather good dramatic point, despite being somewhat rude.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2325 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:50 pm
damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:44 pm


@Damo: Now, and from either your POV or that of a neutral spectator who doesn't know the rolls, or both.
Ham or cheese roles?

Probabilty of no Bs from outside pov is 16C5/19C5 = 364/969 or about 37.6%. So prob of at least 1 B scum is about 62.4%.

From my (town) pov it is 15C5/18C5 = 143/408 or about 35% no Bs or 65% at least 1 B.

Obviously the same is true of any arbitrary group of 3.
There are four people whose name begins with B.

Which one of them did you leave out, and why?
Nobody remembers bozo's existence. He is too dull, and not cool like the rest of the B gang.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2326 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:54 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:45 pm
Okay, question time!
Maniac, why is your entire game so far focussed solely on me?

Damo, why do you have no cases for anyone or original thoughts all game? Why is your voting so lazy?

Kgray, why were you so quick to jump off both durga and celaph after apparently resolving to call them out, and why have you completely forgone exposing this change?

Bona, as much as I like you, when are you going to start making meaningful thoughts on the game?

Bozo, why has your only contribution today been scumreading me over a meaningless coincidence (and also one post scumreading me by proxy)? Do you plan to vote me? If so, why haven't you done it yet? Who are your other reads?

Question time may continue later if I have more questions for people, but that's what I've got for now. Also why the actual heck are there three people who have done basically nothing today except talk about me? Do I have a lazy lurker magnet or something?
Not that I agree that my only contribution today has been questioning you about the "coincidence", but I was trying to determine if it had any meaning. I have not made plans for my vote yet. I have concerns about Donny, ghug, Chaqa, Vecna, and Maniac, but I am not too sure about any of my reads yet.
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#2327 Post by damo666 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:54 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:50 pm
damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:44 pm


@Damo: Now, and from either your POV or that of a neutral spectator who doesn't know the rolls, or both.
Ham or cheese roles?

Probabilty of no Bs from outside pov is 16C5/19C5 = 364/969 or about 37.6%. So prob of at least 1 B scum is about 62.4%.

From my (town) pov it is 15C5/18C5 = 143/408 or about 35% no Bs or 65% at least 1 B.

Obviously the same is true of any arbitrary group of 3.
There are four people whose name begins with B.

Which one of them did you leave out, and why?
I can't count. Quelle surprise.

I'll redo the numbers later.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2328 Post by Chaqa » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:56 pm

I don’t remember exactly my reasoning but I did decide goldie and Bozo are town based on last night’s posting

Right now I’m feeling that gold, ghug, kgray, Jamie, Donny, Blamp, and Bozo are town

Still slight town read on Bona, but I’m a little paranoid he pushed to roleblock me, and also slight town on TFB still, mostly due to circumstances of yesterday’s votes

Would vote for most people outside those groups
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#2329 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:57 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:53 pm
Nobody remembers bozo's existence. He is too dull, and not cool like the rest of the B gang.
Who is Bozo? Is he one of Chaqa's old college roomies?
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#2330 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:58 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:43 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:33 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:55 am


If you're going to keep pretending this has any meaning, I already knew I was in M69 as I think my most recent game, so I chucked that in. M64 was entirely pulled out of my ass, I didn't even know if I was in that game. M56, which you are conveniently ignoring that I also listed, did not have ghug in it, but was mentioned earlier this game, and I needed three examples for symmetry and emphasis about how silly it was that ghug expected me to remember exact examples. So yes, it was a slightly strange coincidence, would you like to vote me over it, or will you wait until celaph and Donny jump on first?
I might vote for you. Throwing in M56 does not change that fact you mentioned the 2 recent games where ghug did claim a roleblock.

Six minutes after your first response where you listed these 3 games, you posted this:
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:12 am
Okay, there was in fact one in M69 N1. In fact, I also made a joke about you always being roleblocked in that game, which you also took issue with.
Also in M64 N1.
I'm not sure there were any before that, but you get the point. There is a precedent for this.
What made you decide to go check these games in that 6 minutes, and did you just looks at these 2 games, or did you look at all games since M64?
I decided to check those games because I wanted to show that my feeling wasn't unfounded, and I didn't do it initially because it was beside the point. In that 6 minutes I checked every non-mini from M69 to M58, first checking the player list to see if me and ghug were on there and then Ctrl+Fing "role" in ghug's posts. I disregarded the game we were scum together, obviously. If I missed a game we were both in it was entirely due to the fact that my check was not particularly thorough.

Now do you want to vote me for picking numbers yet? How about you explain why I as scum would put the two correct games in as references and also M56? Why wouldn't I only put in the two correct games or instead put in three completely wrong ones? In fact, why on earth would I have searched past games where ghug claimed RB if I was scum? And how do you reconcile this being scummy with the fact that I made the exact same assumption about ghug being roleblocked frequently in a previous game?

While you're at it do you have any scumreads that aren't blatantly lazy pedantry, sheeping, or tunneling? Any original thoughts? Any thoughts on people other than me? Or do you plan to just scumread me and call it a day?
Before I answer the follow up questions, can you explain me "reads" that are "lazy pedantry, sheeping, or tunneling"?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2331 Post by Chaqa » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm

Can someone summarize the Damo case?

I haven’t seen anything unusual from him, so wondering if I’m missing it.
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#2332 Post by damo666 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:02 pm

Probability of no Bs from outside pov is 15C5/19C5 = 1001/3876 or about 25.8%. So prob of at least 1 B scum is about 74.2%.

From my (town) pov it is 14C5/18C5 = 143/612 or about 23.4% no Bs or 76.6% at least 1 B.

Obviously the same is true of any arbitrary group of 4.

Of the Bs Blamp and Bozo are town, Bob is frustrated scum and Bona is ... well, Bona (null).
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2333 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:03 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Can someone summarize the Damo case?

I haven’t seen anything unusual from him, so wondering if I’m missing it.
How about: He's been extremely lazy and disinterested, to the point where he doesn't even know who is in the game, and he got a maths question wrong as a result, yet he is somehow so confident of his judgement that he keeps endvoting.
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#2334 Post by kgray » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:04 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:00 am
Huh, kgray really took any excuse to jump off of celaph and durga huh? THis also looks good for ghug, both the fakeclaiming RB and voting me over "not believing the claim". Not a good look for kgray though.
##vote celaph
I forgot I moved off of celaph lmao

I had a thought about the way you reacted to ghug's claim and the way ghug and HR reacted that and I thought it'd be fun to do one of those "pressure" votes. But I will go back to ##vote celaph
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#2335 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:04 pm

damo666 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:02 pm
Probability of no Bs from outside pov is 15C5/19C5 = 1001/3876 or about 25.8%. So prob of at least 1 B scum is about 74.2%.

From my (town) pov it is 14C5/18C5 = 143/612 or about 23.4% no Bs or 76.6% at least 1 B.

Obviously the same is true of any arbitrary group of 4.

Of the Bs Blamp and Bozo are town, Bob is frustrated scum and Bona is ... well, Bona (null).
Ok I believe that's about right.
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#2336 Post by damo666 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:05 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Can someone summarize the Damo case?

I haven’t seen anything unusual from him, so wondering if I’m missing it.
Low posting D1 and N1 with not much content. And maybe my current obsession with endvoting. That's about it.

I hold my hands up to this but it doesn't make me scum does it?
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2337 Post by Chaqa » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:03 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Can someone summarize the Damo case?

I haven’t seen anything unusual from him, so wondering if I’m missing it.
How about: He's been extremely lazy and disinterested, to the point where he doesn't even know who is in the game, and he got a maths question wrong as a result, yet he is somehow so confident of his judgement that he keeps endvoting.
Sounds like Damo to me.

Idk. I was scum with him twice, I’m not seeing it this game.
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#2338 Post by kgray » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:05 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:32 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:30 am
DemonRHK wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:50 am
So ghug and Chaqa both claiming the block.

On a kneejerk reaction I am inclined to believe ghug.
odds chaqa is trolling are high
ghug retracted and chaqa seemed to indicate some degree of serious mod conversation
This is the first thing you find important enough to comment on?
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#2339 Post by damo666 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:07 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:03 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Can someone summarize the Damo case?

I haven’t seen anything unusual from him, so wondering if I’m missing it.
How about: He's been extremely lazy and disinterested, to the point where he doesn't even know who is in the game, and he got a maths question wrong as a result, yet he is somehow so confident of his judgement that he keeps endvoting.
I think that's unfair. I've been busy and lacking focus as a consequence. I've got more time now.
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#2340 Post by kgray » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:08 pm

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:20 am
BusinessLamp wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:45 pm
goldfinger0303 wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:03 pm


Oh, I mixed up who was the leading alternative wagon at the end. I thought TFB was the counter-wagon, and rdrivera after it. I see the source of confusion now.
How does the new knowledge of Bob being the main counter wagon change your analysis
Late, I realize phase has passed but I'm reading from where I left off.

Fundamentally it doesn't change anything. By the time Bob was the leading counter-wagon, the votes on Flum were massively ahead of everyone else. Scum would still been looking to jump around.
ngl I didn't read your wall post super closely so maybe you explained it there (i'll go back to it at some point) but I don't understand why scum would be trying to jump around if town!Flum is massively ahead of everyone else. wouldn't scum want him dead?
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