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So that's the answer, just wear the bot out until it gets tired :)MerryBBuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:53 pmAfter my long match, I searched and found 98 bot matches that went to 1910+. (Including both Austria and France). Of those, the bot has won 8, drawn 8, and lost 82.
Its interesting that Fairbot doesn't recognize a relatively simple situation where an easily accomplished tactical retreat to a stalemate line gets him a draw, such as at the end of your game....and my own contribution, which took to 1919: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=338911
I have seen Fairbot inconsistently support my units across a stalemate line. I have also seen the same Fairbot unit sometimes support & sometimes attack.
That is a weird one. Seems like a fatal, unforced error.
Good work. Persistence pays off. Welcome to the Bot-Killer club!Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 amHey, I did it! I actually beat Fairbot! Only took like 50, but still! I'm still a newbie, so if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know!
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... ocache=690
Thank you! I'll probably start and try to take on Austrian Fairbot. Any tips from the best bot-killer out there?MerryBBuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:51 amGood work. Persistence pays off. Welcome to the Bot-Killer club!Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 amHey, I did it! I actually beat Fairbot! Only took like 50, but still! I'm still a newbie, so if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know!
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... ocache=690
The bot seems to open with Porcupine (Tyr, Alb, Rum) about 65% of the time now. The France opening that beats Porcupine most often is Alpine (MAO, Bur, Pie). With Alpine-vs-Porcupine, if France has a SC disadvantage in Fall '02 in this scenario, France will almost always lose.Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:47 pmI'll probably start and try to take on Austrian Fairbot. Any tips...
Alright, thank you! I'll try it!MerryBBuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:22 pmThe bot seems to open with Porcupine (Tyr, Alb, Rum) about 65% of the time now. The France opening that beats Porcupine most often is Alpine (MAO, Bur, Pie). With Alpine-vs-Porcupine, if France has a SC disadvantage in Fall '02 in this scenario, France will almost always lose.Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:47 pmI'll probably start and try to take on Austrian Fairbot. Any tips...
I hadn't played FvA until this bot. But based on playing it a lot, it seems to me that FvA is a bit like Checkers. The key seems to be knowing the opening moves, having a mental database of the end-game scenarios, and then finding ways to guess or force the bot into a known end-game pattern.
Doug7878 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:22 amCan someone confirm that bots will automatically DRAW the game if the live player votes DRAW ? I just started a game and voted DRAW immediately, and the game immediately ended in a Draw.
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=340350
No, it won’t, in my experience. I don’t know the exact specifics, but here are a few things I know: if you cancel or draw the game in the first two years (I believe up to and including A02), the bot will draw or cancel. In later years, the bot won’t cancel and it will only draw if it hasn’t gained any SCs for a number of turns. In my experience, it is incapable of looking ahead, i.e. it will draw even when it has an unstoppable path to 18, it might be purely based on a simple algorithm from recent numbers.Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:29 amDoug7878 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:22 amCan someone confirm that bots will automatically DRAW the game if the live player votes DRAW ? I just started a game and voted DRAW immediately, and the game immediately ended in a Draw.
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=340350
From what I have seen, yes. The bot will draw when the player draws in all of the times I've seen and done it
It seems I was wrong in Classic bot games, but I have personally found that whenever you want to draw in 1v1, it draws. I did a whole bunch of bouts against Fairbot and when I wanted to draw, most times it would draw. The other times if you removed the draw vote and reinserted it when both you and the bot have not entered orders. I am by no means an expert on this either, and someone else could either disprove me or back me up, that would be greatly appreciated.dipperjay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:36 amNo, it won’t, in my experience. I don’t know the exact specifics, but here are a few things I know: if you cancel or draw the game in the first two years (I believe up to and including A02), the bot will draw or cancel. In later years, the bot won’t cancel and it will only draw if it hasn’t gained any SCs for a number of turns. In my experience, it is incapable of looking ahead, i.e. it will draw even when it has an unstoppable path to 18, it might be purely based on a simple algorithm from recent numbers.Sodium Telluride wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:29 amDoug7878 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:22 amCan someone confirm that bots will automatically DRAW the game if the live player votes DRAW ? I just started a game and voted DRAW immediately, and the game immediately ended in a Draw.
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=340350
From what I have seen, yes. The bot will draw when the player draws in all of the times I've seen and done it
This has been my experience in both classic and 1:1 bot games so far, but happy to stand corrected.