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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#121 Post by Djantani » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:52 pm

I don't think you can define a 'best move' type of answer. Besides it also depends on what strategy you want to pursue and on the positioning of the other units, which you have not specified.

If there was a better option from all perspective everybody would do just that.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#122 Post by Doug7878 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:48 pm

I assume that the bot is treating AvF as a problem to be solved, not a game to be played. It is, by trial and error (and perfect memory) to find the optimal move for every situation. One of the situations it still is "debating" is this one.

The units after Autumn '01 are almost always positioned:
France - F LON, A BEL, A BUR (post-MUN-bounce)
Austria - F VEN, A SEV, A TYR (post-MUN-bounce)

France builds A PAR, A MUN.

There is an optimal move.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#123 Post by MerryBBuck » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:13 pm

I'm intrigued that when Fairbot plays as France, it always opens MAR-PIE. But when humans play France, it looks we humans have opened MAR-BUR in all but 1 of our victories.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#124 Post by Doug7878 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:21 am

Another win for MerryBBuck against the Austrian bot:
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=337357

And an extraordinary win by Matticus13 :
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=337263

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#125 Post by MerryBBuck » Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:51 pm

MerryBBuck wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:13 pm
I'm intrigued that when Fairbot plays as France, it always opens MAR-PIE. But when humans play France, it looks we humans have opened MAR-BUR in all but 1 of our victories.
Fairbot is getting more human-like. I tried this 'Hannibal' opening against Fairbot, and he just quit entering orders when he was about to lose:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#126 Post by Doug7878 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:59 pm

I just tried (twice) to start a new game.
Fairbot is not functioning.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#127 Post by FairBot » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:21 pm

Doug7878 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:59 pm
I just tried (twice) to start a new game.
Fairbot is not functioning.
Sorry for that! Should work now.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#128 Post by dipperjay » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:23 am

FairBot wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:21 pm
Doug7878 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:59 pm
I just tried (twice) to start a new game.
Fairbot is not functioning.
Sorry for that! Should work now.
Sort of :( My game got stuck. I had no build orders in W04, bot built and game map progressed to S05, but game still says it’s W04 Build with no orders for me t to fill.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=337787

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#129 Post by Doug7878 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:12 am


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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#130 Post by Doug7878 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:01 pm


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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#131 Post by Doug7878 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:49 pm

and a nice win with the Italian strategy by MerryBBuck -

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#132 Post by Doug7878 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:27 am

Another win for MerryBBuck. Note that the French army MAR at the start is in TRIESTE in Autumn 1902 (preventing an Austrian fleet build). Sweet.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#133 Post by Doug7878 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:34 pm

As Fairbot shows off some new Austrian moves, zultar comes up with a few himself and, yet again, finds a way to win as France against the bot.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#134 Post by Doug7878 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:15 am

Fairbot has only lost 65 games in its last 500 games as Austria. These games are listed here, most recent first:
gameID Player
338438 zultar
338212 MerryBBuck
337949 MerryBBuck
337847 zultar
337798 Doug7878
337557 MerryBBuck
337263 Matticus13
337357 MerryBBuck
337336 dipperjay
337056 zultar
337048 MerryBBuck
337028 michaelf77
336928 dipperjay
336845 goldfinger0303
337016 Randaz20
336825 christinaFeggy
336816 dipperjay
336796 goldfinger0303
336698 michaelf77
336680 MerryBBuck
336664 dipperjay
336657 dipperjay
336635 goldfinger0303
336634 zultar
336524 MerryBBuck
336458 Randaz20
336403 Djantani
336402 Randaz20
336316 MerryBBuck
336283 Djantani
336246 zultar
336239 zultar
336097 Djantani
335911 Djantani
335885 dipperjay
335723 dipperjay
335626 martinck1
335252 zultar
335240 zultar
335214 zultar
335123 zultar
334928 zultar
334852 Doug7878
334651 jasnah
334596 bozotheclown
334579 jasnah
334576 bozotheclown
334539 zultar
334532 Doug7878
334487 zultar
334445 bozotheclown
334352 dipperjay
334331 dipperjay
334302 zultar
334288 bozotheclown
334272 PigInZen
334245 bozotheclown
334243 bozotheclown
334174 bozotheclown
334138 dipperjay
334104 raynoriaga
334099 bozotheclown
334045 czechveck
333968 zultar
333529 bozotheclown

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#135 Post by Doug7878 » Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:33 pm

A couple more wins by the webDippers against the Austrian bot :

MerryBBuck gets another -

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel

and another for Doug7878 also -

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel

And congrats to that famed botslayer dipperjay on his well-deserved reward from zultar
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#136 Post by Doug7878 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:01 pm

Two more wins as France against the bot - literally back to back (sequential gameID's)

Superwerty's first victory vs the Austrian bot :

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

and another win by Randaz20 :

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

Nice job guys !

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#137 Post by Doug7878 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:05 pm


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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#138 Post by dipperjay » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:10 pm

Doug7878 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:01 pm
Two more wins as France against the bot - literally back to back (sequential gameID's)

Superwerty's first victory vs the Austrian bot :

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

and another win by Randaz20 :

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

Nice job guys !
Glad to add another, after many horrible games, in which I had to adjust to the bot's new variations.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=338878

I got lucky in playing the Swiss Split against the Porcupine and, interestingly, the bot chose to bounce Ven instead of Mun in A01, which instantly loses the game for Austria (see CaptainMeme's and RoganJosh's excellent posts on FvA openings https://captainmeme.wordpress.com/2020/ ... roganjosh/). It did bounce me in Mun in previous games and I would think that it was programmed to *always* bounce in Mun?

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#139 Post by MerryBBuck » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:44 pm

I got lucky in playing the Swiss Split against the Porcupine and, interestingly, the bot chose to bounce Ven instead of Mun in A01, which instantly loses the game for Austria (see CaptainMeme's and RoganJosh's excellent posts on FvA openings https://captainmeme.wordpress.com/2020/ ... roganjosh/). It did bounce me in Mun in previous games and I would think that it was programmed to *always* bounce in Mun?
I'd observed (recently) that the bot was doing the "Porcupine" opening 70% of the time, and the "Anti-Alpine" 30% of the time. Both with the Rumanian variation. Until your match, I'd always observed the bot bouncing Mun in A01, when France opened to Eng. But when France opened to MAO, the bot was splitting 50/50 between bouncing Mun and bouncing Ven in A01. But this is based on our rather small # of games, and I don't know when the bot gets retrained.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#140 Post by MerryBBuck » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:53 pm

Three more human wins:

Superwerty: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=338944
Randaz20: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=338941

...and my own contribution, which took to 1919: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=338911

After my long match, I searched and found 98 bot matches that went to 1910+. (Including both Austria and France). Of those, the bot has won 8, drawn 8, and lost 82.
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