Re: EIDRaS Ratings
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:24 am
Cool, I'll tell the script to ignore them for now. You might have missed my edit but I also need the weighting for Known World. I assume 0.25?
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Isn't it possible for a solo to be achieved in 1903 as well? Let's look at each of the countries path to victory:
Well obviously it's realistically impossible to solo in 3 years with any of the countries, but it is possible to solo in 3 years.President Eden wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pmI don't think a 1903 solo is possible without Russia's neighbors actively vacating centers for Russia to take. i.e. It won't happen naturally.
Taking a look at all of the games that were won in 3 years I see quite a bit of blatantly obvious cheating. However I was able to find the following games which were won in 3 years and were legitimate solos:Yonni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:48 pmAfter a quick and entirely not rigorous look through the database, the quickest solo I could find that looked somewhat legit was Russia in 1907:
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11156
I disagree. Players were told that games ending before 1904 would not count towards GR, so I think the same should be upheld for YR. A lot of games that result in CD are drawn in 1903 are done so because of the fact that these games would not could, so the very small number of "legitimate" solos would be heavily outnumbered by the erroneous counting of games that were draw for the explicit reason of it not being counted.ChippeRock wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:29 pmTaking a look at all of the games that were won in 3 years I see quite a bit of blatantly obvious cheating. However I was able to find the following games which were won in 3 years and were legitimate solos:Yonni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:48 pmAfter a quick and entirely not rigorous look through the database, the quickest solo I could find that looked somewhat legit was Russia in 1907:
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11156
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=89551
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
Based on this I feel like these games should at least be included in the user's GR; or any other rating system your using.
I never said put all games that ended early in this category here. I just said put those specific games in. Also, it's basically impossible to find a game where no one NMRed or CDed in. So I don't think you should exclude games. Perhaps you could make sure that results of a game with a NMR or CD don't matter as much as a game without a NMR or CD but that's about all you should do in my opinion.Yoyoyozo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:32 pmI disagree. Players were told that games ending before 1904 would not count towards GR, so I think the same should be upheld for YR. A lot of games that result in CD are drawn in 1903 are done so because of the fact that these games would not could, so the very small number of "legitimate" solos would be heavily outnumbered by the erroneous counting of games that were draw for the explicit reason of it not being counted.ChippeRock wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:29 pmTaking a look at all of the games that were won in 3 years I see quite a bit of blatantly obvious cheating. However I was able to find the following games which were won in 3 years and were legitimate solos:Yonni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:48 pmAfter a quick and entirely not rigorous look through the database, the quickest solo I could find that looked somewhat legit was Russia in 1907:
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11156
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=89551
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
Based on this I feel like these games should at least be included in the user's GR; or any other rating system your using.
The expected score doesn't change with the scoring system but I'm not sure what you mean that it's tailored for DSS. How would you go about changing it for the other systems?
Ah, the truth finally comes out.Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:17 amI really enjoy how Bo is basically the only person to have the exact same rank in both systems. Not even Maths can change Bo being the worst :-D
Both of those games, one of which you listed twice, were pretty terrible. When we talk about a natural solo, that implies that everyone actually plays with some mark of competency, no? A solo in five or six years is very much possible, but even four years seems far fetched without some players literally walking out of their centers to make way for a single unit to move in.ChippeRock wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:29 pmTaking a look at all of the games that were won in 3 years I see quite a bit of blatantly obvious cheating. However I was able to find the following games which were won in 3 years and were legitimate solos:Yonni wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:48 pmAfter a quick and entirely not rigorous look through the database, the quickest solo I could find that looked somewhat legit was Russia in 1907:
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11156
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=89551
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158353
Based on this I feel like these games should at least be included in the user's GR; or any other rating system your using.