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Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#1 Post by Fluminator » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:54 pm

I read online somewhere that some people have voices in their head talking to them. Like when they think they have an internal monologue?

Do we need to discriminate against these people? They sound crazy, and apparently it's pretty common?
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#2 Post by yavuzovic » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:07 pm

And how and why did this happen in the evolution cycle?
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#3 Post by Claesar » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:07 pm

I think there's no reason for that and so do I.
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#4 Post by Octavious » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:09 pm

I've consulted with my monologue on this, and we are in agreement that the internal monologue is the personification of the soul and that those without it aren't really human. It's not all bad, though. You're close enough to human to make great candidates for testing a covid vaccine on :-D.

No internal monologue at all? Seriously? You'll be telling us next that you don't imagine in pictures
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#6 Post by dargorygel » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:04 pm

It is fine to talk to oneself. It is fine to answer oneself. But I begin to get worried when you ask, "what was that? Say that again!"
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#7 Post by Minister of Silly Walks » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:17 pm

yavuzovic wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:07 pm
And how and why did this happen in the evolution cycle?
Brain is a very complex thing, so not even parts of it can be turned off completely without a risk of structural damage. If there are too few stimuli for the nervous system to respond to, it runs some background activity in the unused parts.
I suppose the internal monologues are such background activity for the parts of brain that are responsible for speech; to me, they only happen I'm not talking to anyone, environment is relatively calm and I lack other thought-consuming tasks to focus on.
If this theory is true, internal monologue probably developed simultaneously with the parts of brain responsible for speech, half a million to a hundred thousand years ago (depending on the definition of proper speech, as the transition was gradual).

In response to the original question: internal monologues are perfectly fine as long as the person understands it is internal. Then it gets renamed "schizophrenia".
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#8 Post by yavuzovic » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:02 pm

Minister of Silly Walks wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:17 pm
yavuzovic wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:07 pm
And how and why did this happen in the evolution cycle?
Brain is a very complex thing, so not even parts of it can be turned off completely without a risk of structural damage. If there are too few stimuli for the nervous system to respond to, it runs some background activity in the unused parts.
I suppose the internal monologues are such background activity for the parts of brain that are responsible for speech; to me, they only happen I'm not talking to anyone, environment is relatively calm and I lack other thought-consuming tasks to focus on.
If this theory is true, internal monologue probably developed simultaneously with the parts of brain responsible for speech, half a million to a hundred thousand years ago (depending on the definition of proper speech, as the transition was gradual).

In response to the original question: internal monologues are perfectly fine as long as the person understands it is internal. Then it gets renamed "schizophrenia".
This has a chance to be correct. I never experienced this so I can't verify the details but makes sense when I compare it with the dreams.
Also it may be a reflection of verifying the data. The hunter sees, and must remember the prey even when it disappears. So the "inner voice" helps him remember. This probably evolved from an other sense like vision.
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#9 Post by Minister of Silly Walks » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:53 pm

yavuzovic wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:02 pm
Minister of Silly Walks wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:17 pm
yavuzovic wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:07 pm
And how and why did this happen in the evolution cycle?
Brain is a very complex thing, so not even parts of it can be turned off completely without a risk of structural damage. If there are too few stimuli for the nervous system to respond to, it runs some background activity in the unused parts.
I suppose the internal monologues are such background activity for the parts of brain that are responsible for speech; to me, they only happen I'm not talking to anyone, environment is relatively calm and I lack other thought-consuming tasks to focus on.
If this theory is true, internal monologue probably developed simultaneously with the parts of brain responsible for speech, half a million to a hundred thousand years ago (depending on the definition of proper speech, as the transition was gradual).

In response to the original question: internal monologues are perfectly fine as long as the person understands it is internal. Then it gets renamed "schizophrenia".
This has a chance to be correct. I never experienced this so I can't verify the details but makes sense when I compare it with the dreams.
Also it may be a reflection of verifying the data. The hunter sees, and must remember the prey even when it disappears. So the "inner voice" helps him remember. This probably evolved from an other sense like vision.
Neurobiology still has a lot to study and discover, and I am not even a biologist so my assumptions certainly have their mistakes.
I don't think vision has much or anything to do with it, since speech, strictly speaking, isn't a sense, and is much more closely related to hearing than vision.
As far as memory goes, the two might be related, but the relationships probably not as straightforward. Memory is certainly involved there at least as much as in any other speech processes, but, for example, my inner monologues rarely if ever at all seem to help me remember anything.

Evolution is, in essence, a statistical process, and the question is whether inner monologue provided enough of a bonus to memory and if the bonus was enough of a reproductive advantage enough to be statistically beneficial. If the answer is "yes", we can consider memory enhancement the primary purpose of the inner monologues. If this advantage is infinitesimal or if the inner monologues provide a greater benefit in some other way, memory enhancement is just a nice side effect if it is even present.
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#10 Post by swordsman3003 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:53 pm

I learn a lot from conversations with myself. In fact, I might say I learn as much from that as anything I've learned from someone else.

Try it. Self-reflection is a good habit.

The ability to converse with yourself is HUGE in being able to understand and predict cryptic players (try impersonating them for 1/2 of your conversation).
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#11 Post by Tom Bombadil » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:57 pm

We hates it when we talks to ourselves. We HATES it.

Fat little Austria, trying to take our centers...

No, no. Austria is our friend. He helps us...

False. False, precious. He uses us. He tries to hurts us. He will cheat us. Lie. He takes centers that belong to us...

No. Go away. We hates you. Austria has been kind to us...

You'd be nothing without me. I saved us...
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#12 Post by Minister of Silly Walks » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:02 am

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:57 pm
We hates it when we talks to ourselves. We HATES it.

Fat little Austria, trying to take our centers...

No, no. Austria is our friend. He helps us...

False. False, precious. He uses us. He tries to hurts us. He will cheat us. Lie. He takes centers that belong to us...

No. Go away. We hates you. Austria has been kind to us...

You'd be nothing without me. I saved us...
Funnily enough, I had Italy making anti-Austrian speeches in this exact style in one of my games.
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#13 Post by e.m.c^42 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:46 am

Pfff, and next you'll be telling us that people hear a voice when they read? I would say they are the truly odd ones.

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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#14 Post by MajorMitchell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:43 am

Great post Octavious.

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#15 Post by MajorMitchell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:44 am

I even +1 it
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Re: Are people with internal monologues crazy and insane?

#16 Post by MajorMitchell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:04 pm

Hang on a moment. Isn't webdiplomacy a construct of the Babbling inner voices in my head? Does this mean beloved Dipbro Brainbomb doesn't live in the Nebraska in my head, but in the Nebraska in the head of POTUS Trumptoad? How sad.

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