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Perhaps this is a language thing but I am not sure what you are trying to argue.

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:24 pm

I don't know why...but the title of the topic makes me think of big pharma ads:

"Ask your doctor if agnosticism is right for you"

I didn't choose the topic title. Mods changed it on me >:(
Also I'll respond soon, I've been distracted with other threads lately.

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:57 pm

Perhaps this is a language thing but I am not sure what you are trying to argue.

What the universe in? If we knew this, we would need to question this with the same questions. How did it start? How did it it come up first?... And if it's also surrounded by something, same again. This cannot be endless.
I say Big Bang isn't explaining matter's origin.

Why can it not be endless?

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:15 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:24 pm

I don't know why...but the title of the topic makes me think of big pharma ads:

"Ask your doctor if agnosticism is right for you"

I didn't choose the topic title. Mods changed it on me >:(
Also I'll respond soon, I've been distracted with other threads lately.

What was the original title? Something like "Agnostics suck: Change My Mind"?

It was something about how agnostics are wussy atheists lol.

The talk of the bible is one I could go back and forth on and I think there’s enough evidence it happened for people who believe already, and enough gaps or possibilities it’s very wrong for people who don’t believe it happened.

I think the majority of religious people are religious not because of textual criticism or scientific ontological or cosmological arguments (and all those arguments are easy to break down anyway) but because of personal experiences/gut. Like you say, even complete skeptics sometimes feel somethings guiding. (Even if you don’t believe it’s supernatural)

I have an easier time believing extraordinary events happened historically because I’ve seen things that seemed like miracles in my lifetime and people I trust a lot who also have stories of miracles that make it really hard for me to believe our interactable universe stops at humans. I think it’s much more likely that entities or a higher form of consciousness exist in the universe elsewhere since we understand so little about it.

But you can’t really argue against personal experiences I have so it’s kind of a conversation ender so I don’t bring it up that much.
But I guess what I’m getting at is, are extraordinary events really so hard to believe? Let’s say your an ant living in a forest and you think you know how your area works, and the worst you deal with are birds or anteaters attacking your colony. One day a human finds it and plays around with the ants and it’s possibly the only time a human ever does. From the ants perspective it would be an absolutely extraordinary experience. If you were an ant would you be skeptical if your ant friend told you about it?