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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#21 Post by Tolstoy » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:31 am

brainbomb wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:38 pm
is this because men hate female superheroes

or is it because these shows and films suck
The latter. Men had *NO* problem at all with Ellen Ripley (originally supposed to be a male character, but no one cares), Sarah Connor, Buffy Summers, or The Bride. These characters were the backbones of franchises that made hundreds of millions of dollars. Modern movie/TV writers just suck (for the most part).

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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#22 Post by goldfinger0303 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 am

Fluminator wrote:
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Thor 2 broke me and I stopped watching after that
So...you stopped watching when you watched the consensus nadir of the Phase 1-3 movies?

Like....aside from Ultron (which really isn't alll that bad), things just get better from there. You have Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor Ragnarok, Civil War, Black Panther, Spiderman....all leading up to Endgame.

Keep watching. There's a few duds still to go through, but even those aren't as bad as what you've already been through

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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#23 Post by biggerarmydiplomacy » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:27 am

"is it because men hate female superheroes"
Yeah, kinda, I think. The audience for these movies is mostly male and men in general dont connect as much with female characters. Especially when they are heavily themed around female empowerement. Brie Larsson saying she doesnt care if men dont like her movie didnt help her either, I think.

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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#24 Post by Doom427 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:44 pm

If we think Historically, female superhero movies were... Just really really bad. Like worst movies of all time bad. Pretty fun if you enjoy garbage, but mostly just shows that female superheros movies were typically seen by studios as a crapshoot.

As far as the MCU movies go, Captain Marvel was as good as every other MCU movie- it feels more like a cipher for the audiences feeling on brie Larson than anything else.

Female led action movies in general aren't usually popular though- there are a few standouts but, as Tolstoy helpfully made a list for us, it's typically horror protags who got to stick around when their series became action movies instead, or Japanese or Hong Kong influenced stuff where women get to do action things.

As far as the why, it's really down to studio influence the most - yeah you'll get the "They got estrogen in my cool shit and now it's lame" complaints but the average person really doesn't care. Studios do though, and they are very conservative and are going to focus on the most conservative and basic movies possible before jumping on a genre and adding diversity for a gimmick.

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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#25 Post by Doom427 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:45 pm

. .. can you tell I'm a bit of an academic.

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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#26 Post by flash2015 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:16 pm

A lot of them are terrible...showing diversity or spreading "the message" is being used as a substitute for a plot. Studios are all in on using the "anyone that doesn't like the movie/series must be racist/sexist" as part of their marketing strategy.

I like watching the Critical Drinker on youtube. He lays out well why a lot of these movies/series are so bad.

I am struggling through the Rings Of Power at the moment because I read all the Tolkein books in my teen years. I don't care whether some of the Hobbits are black! The series is boring. It could have been so much better.
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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#27 Post by Octavious » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:53 pm

I struggle with Rings Of Power because one of the Hobbits is Lenny Henry, and it's impossible for any Brit to watch it without thinking "that's Lenny Henry attempting some kind of Irish accent..." and it takes you right out of the universe.

In terms of it being boring, I suggest you reread The Council of Elrond, everything after the ring falls into Mount Doom, and the Silmarillion. I think they've captured the tedium of Tolkien's extravagances rather well
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Re: Are female superhero movies unpopular because…

#28 Post by Macchiavelli » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:08 pm

America has a lot of republican incel woman-haters, and that generates some of the hate.
Brie Larson, in her 1st interview, interupted a male reported and said she only wanted ocmments from females. That put a lot of men against her.

Currently, most of the hate is towards She-Hulk. It is intentionally written to attack men. The first few episodes have a plethora of male characters who are intentionally made to symbolize all that women see as wrong with men; and they throw the blame for white male republicans at the feet of all white males. The writing is shallow and openly sexist and bigoted, it is the intentional identity of the show to be anti-man.

Disney hasn't seemed to figure out that you can empower women without slandering men, and this leads to terrible writing, poor plotlines, and openly sexist tropes.

So, some of the hate towards female heroes in marvel is from republicans and incels, and some of it is from smart multicultural men who are sick of terrible writing and shallow plotlines.
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