Does this cross the line?

[JECE]

Are there any lines in what concerns what you say in a diplomacy game ?

Well, the website implements some basic red lines about that in its rules:

4. Keep press appropriate.

Diplomacy is a game of many strategies and your discussions with other players can sometimes be hostile, impolite, and even uncivilized. These press strategies are all permissible on webDiplomacy and in Diplomacy in general. However, your press with other players should never include the following:

-Messages of sexual nature
-Overt racism or sexism of any kind
-Doxxing (revealing any real life information) of another player

This rule also applies to game titles.

First offenses will result in a warning in some circumstances but may result in a severe point dock and removal from the game in question if the offense necessitates such action. Second offenses may result in a temporary or permanent ban from webDiplomacy.

5. Do not use the software or moderators as a diplomacy tactic

Lying is fine in Diplomacy except when it gives mods/admins unnecessary work to do!

Falsely accusing someone of being a multi-accounter/meta-gaming to rally others against them in a game, or claiming that your orders didn't come out the way you entered them to cover up your motives, means mods/admins spend time looking for cheaters/bugs which were made up.

All accusations against other players must be made directly to the mod/admin team directly as specified below, in private, for this reason, and software bug claims must be genuine, even if only told to another player. Avoid making cheating accusations in game, via pm, or on the forum.

[Troodonte]

Are there any lines in what concerns what you say in a diplomacy game ?

Well, the website implements some basic red lines about that in its rules:

4. Keep press appropriate.

Diplomacy is a game of many strategies and your discussions with other players can sometimes be hostile, impolite, and even uncivilized. These press strategies are all permissible on webDiplomacy and in Diplomacy in general. However, your press with other players should never include the following:

-Messages of sexual nature
-Overt racism or sexism of any kind
-Doxxing (revealing any real life information) of another player

This rule also applies to game titles.

First offenses will result in a warning in some circumstances but may result in a severe point dock and removal from the game in question if the offense necessitates such action. Second offenses may result in a temporary or permanent ban from webDiplomacy.

5. Do not use the software or moderators as a diplomacy tactic

Lying is fine in Diplomacy except when it gives mods/admins unnecessary work to do!

Falsely accusing someone of being a multi-accounter/meta-gaming to rally others against them in a game, or claiming that your orders didn't come out the way you entered them to cover up your motives, means mods/admins spend time looking for cheaters/bugs which were made up.

All accusations against other players must be made directly to the mod/admin team directly as specified below, in private, for this reason, and software bug claims must be genuine, even if only told to another player. Avoid making cheating accusations in game, via pm, or on the forum.

Hey JECE

Racism and sexual messages are a red line in any context. It’s objective. It’s agains the law. This is no exception. Not sure what doxxing is and if it should be a red line.
But what we are talking about here is completely different situation. I don’t think that there should be red lines about strategy, manipulation or stupid threats (game related). A racist statement is never game related in diplomacy.

So, should there be lines in what concerns what you say, game related, in a diplomacy game?

[Theodoric]

"I don’t think that there should be red lines about strategy, manipulation or stupid threats (game related). A racist statement is never game related in diplomacy.

So, should there be lines in what concerns what you say, game related, in a diplomacy game?"

In my opinion, at least, the gray area is trying to make the game unpleasant in order to encourage a draw. The most obvious example is intentionally using up your excused missed turns. Maybe also posting messages that aren't racist, sexist, or abusive but are annoying and unpleasant, in order to encourage a draw, or taking a long time to resolve turns (especially retreats and builds) in the hope of frustrating opponents.

I'm not sure that any of this should be against the rules though--it just makes sense to have norms around it. Maybe the only thing that should actually be against the rules is threatening to slow the game down in your press.

[JECE]

Are there any lines in what concerns what you say in a diplomacy game ?

Well, the website implements some basic red lines about that in its rules:

4. Keep press appropriate.

Diplomacy is a game of many strategies and your discussions with other players can sometimes be hostile, impolite, and even uncivilized. These press strategies are all permissible on webDiplomacy and in Diplomacy in general. However, your press with other players should never include the following:

-Messages of sexual nature
-Overt racism or sexism of any kind
-Doxxing (revealing any real life information) of another player

This rule also applies to game titles.

First offenses will result in a warning in some circumstances but may result in a severe point dock and removal from the game in question if the offense necessitates such action. Second offenses may result in a temporary or permanent ban from webDiplomacy.

5. Do not use the software or moderators as a diplomacy tactic

Lying is fine in Diplomacy except when it gives mods/admins unnecessary work to do!

Falsely accusing someone of being a multi-accounter/meta-gaming to rally others against them in a game, or claiming that your orders didn't come out the way you entered them to cover up your motives, means mods/admins spend time looking for cheaters/bugs which were made up.

All accusations against other players must be made directly to the mod/admin team directly as specified below, in private, for this reason, and software bug claims must be genuine, even if only told to another player. Avoid making cheating accusations in game, via pm, or on the forum.

Hey JECE

Racism and sexual messages are a red line in any context. It’s objective. It’s agains the law. This is no exception. Not sure what doxxing is and if it should be a red line.
But what we are talking about here is completely different situation. I don’t think that there should be red lines about strategy, manipulation or stupid threats (game related). A racist statement is never game related in diplomacy.

So, should there be lines in what concerns what you say, game related, in a diplomacy game?

Rule 5. is the more interesting one. 'Don't give the mods more work to do.' So lying that the website changed your orders, even though the lying may be a Diplomacy tactic, crosses a red line.

Were you around a few months ago, Troodonte? Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if Kestas did away with rule 4., even though it's an obvious red line to you, me and most people. Doxxing would be publically posting another user's personal information, such as their real name or address.