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by Octavious
Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:56 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

As for the UK law, it was based on the principle that provides the foundation for all law. To protect the weak from the strong. The danger was that certain undesirable groups of people had the potential to become much stronger than had previously been possible, so the law was introduced to protect e...
by Octavious
Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

So, in theory at least our second amendment was to protect the people from the government, and your Firearms Act was to protect the government from the people? Nah, at best your second amendment was just a continuation of English law. You don't paint yourself in a good light if the first thing you ...
by Octavious
Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:09 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

The history is fairly recent, as these things go. The right to bear arms was pretty ancient (pre-USA anyway) but it was never really a right that was widely exercised. Guns were used by farmers and hunters for the most part, with the concept of them being used as a weapon outside of the military lar...
by Octavious
Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:58 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

Great is perhaps too strong a word for it. I guess you can argue that it's good that the judge is resolutely defending the rights of the people, but it's damned crazy that that right exists in the first place. Much in the same way that in a more sane nation both Rittenhouse and the chap he shot who ...
by Octavious
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:47 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

So, in this particular location, what the defendant did was to bring a tool of self defence to a place where there was a significant risk to his person. You seem to he missing my point. The point isn't that he had a gun, the point is he intention ally decided to go somewhere to use the gun to shoot...
by Octavious
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:13 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

How and Ever, when you bring a gun to a protest in order to shoot people, you are actively choosing violence. That is not self-defence And here you have the problem with your argument. Your culture is alien to the defendant and the community where the incident took place. In the US guns are indeed ...
by Octavious
Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

On one side we have Octavious who seems oblivious to the concerns about the judges impartiality. If Octavious had followed the case AT ALL, he would have heard about them even if he didn't agree with them. Especially given his ignorance, I would argue that claiming that people that had concerns abo...
by Octavious
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:41 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

And whether legal or not, his actions are morally reprehensible (i would argue his actions we're not self-defence, but he instigated the situation). That is, I believe, the argument that the prosecution used. This argument lost. I am curious, however, why you believe that your judgement, as a perso...
by Octavious
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:31 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

He illegally transported a deadly weapon he was not entitled to own in the first place, to a scene of ongoing public disorder No he didn't. By all means provide evidence that he did, but my understanding is that the law restricting gun use to minors in that part of the USA does not include long bar...
by Octavious
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:51 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

If that isn't clear to you, if you are fanatically driven to support the status quo regardless of the morale outrage that it produces, then I'm not sure anything i can say will change your mind. Ha! Mate, the good ship "Ora saying something to change my mind" set sail long ago. It's become increasi...
by Octavious
Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:58 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

That's QAnon levels of paranoia right there :razz:. The judge is biased because he has a ringtone with a tune reminiscent of music heard at a few Trump rallies? Seriously? Not only that, but the judge speaks English and I've been told that some of the noises Trump made in office were occasionally id...
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

But why, though? Do you think he just took a shine to him? Judges don't tend to look favourably on young hotheads who walk the streets with rifles
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:15 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

Biased in favour of what?
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:32 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

To repeat the words of President Biden, who on occasion is still able to make sensible comments, the jury system works and we have to abide by it. Bit of a non responce from you, which shouldn't really surprise me at this stage. I asked a direct question, i shouldn't have expected a direct answer. ...
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:47 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

If I was looking for evidence that someone had fascist tendencies, then one of the more obvious giveaways would be a contempt for the cornerstones of democracy such as trial by jury. You can have contempt for the result without being facistic. The fact that the system is 'working as designed' and t...
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:44 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

The defence presented the best argument they could for the person they were representing? The fiends! I share Randomizer's contempt for this blatant display of competence and diligence!
by Octavious
Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:20 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed
Replies: 56
Views: 374

Re: USA, a fascist state? Confirmed

If I was looking for evidence that someone had fascist tendencies, then one of the more obvious giveaways would be a contempt for the cornerstones of democracy such as trial by jury.
by Octavious
Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:56 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: All your Karma are belong to JamieT
Replies: 11
Views: 166

Re: All your Karma are belong to JamieT

What you say !!
by Octavious
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:28 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Betrayal Blues
Replies: 31
Views: 576

Re: Betrayal Blues

The Old Testament always seemed to lack subtly to me. Samson won a few great victories, but always by charging in, tearing people apart and trusting to luck. If you were feeling charitable you could say that Elisha killing the boys who were mocking his haircut by persuading God to send bears to slau...
by Octavious
Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:19 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Betrayal Blues
Replies: 31
Views: 576

Re: Betrayal Blues

Very few carebears in the bible. It is easier for an army to pass through Switzerland than for a carebear to enter into the kingdom of God. The Bible is full of plots and subtle diplomacy. Jesus was the master. He knew full well of Judas' stab in advance and used it to his advantage. Poor old Judas ...