Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

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Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:58 pm

Just as well neither of you are Ratepayers in Paradise Lost Cove, so you do not vote in this election.
Our Garbage trucks start at 5 am going around noisily, so a 9 am start for Marching Bands isn't that early.
The Post Horn Chase at Dawn might have some Merit.

Went to a Business Association fundraising for Salvation Army lunch for candidates today. I am unused to eating these types of big lunches and the entree was enough for me.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Jamiet99uk » Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:27 pm

Octavious wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:35 pm
9am? If you want my vote you'd have to start at dawn

Sun arise come every mornin'
Bringin' back the warmth to the ground
If he wants my vote he'd have to keep that shit quiet until noon.

I am not a morning person. The last thing I'd want if to be woken up by oom-pah music at bloody dawn. That sounds awful.

Octavious is probably the kind of person who wakes at 6am and starts the day with a 30 minute jog and an ice bath.

A sick pervert, in other words.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Octavious » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:35 pm

9am? If you want my vote you'd have to start at dawn

Sun arise come every mornin'
Bringin' back the warmth to the ground

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:31 am

My policy of a Marching Band led Recovery is a hit with Ratepayers!
Eight dozen new Rotundas in our Parks and Four dozen new Marching Bands, playing the Post Horn Chase, Waltzing Matilda and other classics from 9 am to 5 pm daily That's a Proper Christian Marching Band Led Recovery!

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by flash2015 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:59 pm

Octavious wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:33 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:59 pm
Why would you be against compulsory voting? What is so bad about it?
From a point of principle, a vote is a hard won freedom that is greatly prized and seen as a duty proudly carried out my many. To reduce such a treasure to an obligation imposed by political masters is tragic.

From a more practical point of view, why water down the votes of those, like us, who genuinely care and who think deeply about the issues, with the votes of those who have only turned up to avoid a fine and would much rather be watching TV at home? I have nothing against people with no interest in politics. I will happily try to convince them otherwise, but respect their right to tell me to sod off and let them live as they see fit.
I personally don't see it as much of an imposition. As citizens we have lots of obligations - from jury duty to the military draft to paying taxes or even to make sure we have a valid driver's license. In the grand scheme of things, this is a minor one.

We do have what's called "the donkey vote" in Australia where people just start numbering from the top and do 1,2,3,4,5. Major Mitchell alluded to this a little by complaining about his position on the card. But that is a relatively small percentage of the vote. Most people appear to make an effort.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by flash2015 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:20 pm

Octavious wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:20 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:59 pm
I know that low turnout for elections is bad for democracy. The poster child for this is the USA. Due to the low turnout, elections in the US aren't about convincing people to change their mind to vote for you. Elections are all about getting your supporters to turn out and discouraging your opponents from voting.
I don't follow the logic there at all. Surely a low turnout means the exact opposite. If there's a low background vote anyone who can inspire new voters to come out and vote has a massive advantage compared to nations with typically high turnouts.
And how do you inspire voters to come out? At least in the US it isn't about rationally evaluating the policies. It is about scaring the voters silly or pandering to activists.
What typically happens in any democratic nation is that the dominant parties observe trends and this becomes the perceived wisdom in how they think they can win elections. They then double down on this every election cycle, with success attributed to doing it well and failure attributed to not trying it hard enough. In many ways like the evolution of sabre toothed tigers that gave the species ridiculous teeth that would fail abysmally if faced with a true competitor.
This isn't what happens in Australia. The parties figure out what policies were winners and losers and they use this to adjust their platforms for the next election. Labor for example after the previous election dropped its policy on negative gearing reform because they found it was a loser (even though it was good policy)
You could argue that Trump was defeated by this very thing. He relied on motivating the Republican base, which he clearly succeeded in doing looking at the numbers who voted for him, but lost because there was a record turnout including a hell of a lot of people who don't normally give a damn.
We got record turnout on both sides largely because Trump amped up the polarization. The democrats were evil and were going to make America communist.

Democrats appeal to activists on climate change and social issues (pregnant people - seriously?) to juice up the turnout.

The people in the center that just want competence in government aren't catered for at all.
If you look at Macron in France, he is President because the perceived wisdom of the traditional centre left and centre right French parties turned out to be bollocks. UKIP and its successor Brexit Party destroyed the idea that only the two major UK parties have real influence in Britain and forced through their agenda. Italy is constantly redefining the perceived wisdom of how Italian politics (for want of a better word) works. Germany may well be heading for its own shift in perceptions.
One of the many problems with the electoral system in the United States is the two party duopoly. France and the UK have better systems which allow new parties to emerge (though you really should have preferential voting).

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Octavious » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:33 pm

flash2015 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:59 pm
Why would you be against compulsory voting? What is so bad about it?
From a point of principle, a vote is a hard won freedom that is greatly prized and seen as a duty proudly carried out my many. To reduce such a treasure to an obligation imposed by political masters is tragic.

From a more practical point of view, why water down the votes of those, like us, who genuinely care and who think deeply about the issues, with the votes of those who have only turned up to avoid a fine and would much rather be watching TV at home? I have nothing against people with no interest in politics. I will happily try to convince them otherwise, but respect their right to tell me to sod off and let them live as they see fit.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Octavious » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:20 pm

flash2015 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:59 pm
I know that low turnout for elections is bad for democracy. The poster child for this is the USA. Due to the low turnout, elections in the US aren't about convincing people to change their mind to vote for you. Elections are all about getting your supporters to turn out and discouraging your opponents from voting.
I don't follow the logic there at all. Surely a low turnout means the exact opposite. If there's a low background vote anyone who can inspire new voters to come out and vote has a massive advantage compared to nations with typically high turnouts.

What typically happens in any democratic nation is that the dominant parties observe trends and this becomes the perceived wisdom in how they think they can win elections. They then double down on this every election cycle, with success attributed to doing it well and failure attributed to not trying it hard enough. In many ways like the evolution of sabre toothed tigers that gave the species ridiculous teeth that would fail abysmally if faced with a true competitor.

You could argue that Trump was defeated by this very thing. He relied on motivating the Republican base, which he clearly succeeded in doing looking at the numbers who voted for him, but lost because there was a record turnout including a hell of a lot of people who don't normally give a damn.

If you look at Macron in France, he is President because the perceived wisdom of the traditional centre left and centre right French parties turned out to be bollocks. UKIP and its successor Brexit Party destroyed the idea that only the two major UK parties have real influence in Britain and forced through their agenda. Italy is constantly redefining the perceived wisdom of how Italian politics (for want of a better word) works. Germany may well be heading for its own shift in perceptions.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by flash2015 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:59 pm

Why would you be against compulsory voting? What is so bad about it?

It isn't like there are massive fines and five years gaol if you don't vote. If I remember correctly, the fine is less than a parking ticket. And it is relatively easy to get out of it.

All it really forces you to do is collect the ballot. You don't have to make a valid vote. You could write on the ballot paper "They all SUCK!"

I know that low turnout for elections is bad for democracy. The poster child for this is the USA. Due to the low turnout, elections in the US aren't about convincing people to change their mind to vote for you. Elections are all about getting your supporters to turn out and discouraging your opponents from voting.

You get your supporters to turn out by telling them "if the other side wins, it will literally be ARMAGEDDON!!". You discourage people that don't like you from voting by constantly trying to publicize real or imagined scandals about your opponent. While election cycles are very long, the actual debate about policy is very shallow.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Octavious » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:42 am

MajorMitchell wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:40 am
I don't have time to explain the virtues of compulsory voting Antipodean style, the fundamental point is, we don't like shirkers when it comes to participation in our Democracy that Australians have created, shaped and defended. If you want to.live hete and enjoy it's benefits you participate
I fully support you in your stance that foreigners who don't like it should sod off back where they came from. Sensible policy for a happier Australia. But compulsory voting is just plain wrong. If there was an election in the UK in which the only candidate who opposed compulsory voting was standing for the British Communist Party I would vote for them and hang a red flag in the window.

Fortunately there is no great movement to try and establish it in the UK, and less than half of people, when questioned, support the idea. Bizarrely enough the greatest source of support for such a policy comes from the elderly, who are the group that would lose the most if it came into force

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:42 am

Local government elections are voluntary voting, so we have both and you are just envious Octavious

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:40 am

In your circumstances Octavious, you only get a vote if you pay Council Rates to the City of Victor Harbor and are a registered voter.
Several friendly locals have enlisted livestock, the piggery booths might get me elected, pigs are extremely intelligent and would be most discerning voters, albeit susceptible to pork barreling with cases of apples.
I am preparing for tonight's important 3 minute speech, public meeting starts in about 2 hours.
I don't have time to explain the virtues of compulsory voting Antipodean style, the fundamental point is, we don't like shirkers when it comes to participation in our Democracy that Australians have created, shaped and defended. If you want to.live hete and enjoy it's benefits you participate
Even by writing F*** all.politicians on your voting paper, it counts as an invalid vote.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by Octavious » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:37 am

Alas, compulsory voting is a red line issue for me. I am unable to lend my vote to anyone in favour of it. I fear you have to deduct my vote from your tally. (I forget how the Australian system works, but I have a notion that British votes count for 10... or at least some number with a zero in it)

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:27 am

Lookup the short film Formosus, the Mystic and the Witch on Youtube.
There's a filthy chap in a few scences ~ Dusty Balzac ~ a notorious scallywag.
He does a dark foul deed in a prison cell to Pope Steven 6th.
Based on the Cadaver Synod (google)

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:23 am

The South Australian Electoral Commission do not charge any fees to nominate as a candidate in local government elections and there is no deposit required. There are plenty of rules about political donations, political advertising.
In our State and Federal elections voting is compulsory, which I support. In local govetnment, voting is voluntary, ratepayers are sent postal voting forms, return envelopes that do not require the voter to purchase stamps to send when posting.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by taylor4 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:38 pm

Question: Could you lose your deposit if you fail to garner sufficient votes?
Good Luck!

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:45 am

I drew 15th spot out of 19 on the voting form, so in racing parlance, it's a 2400 metre race, i start from a wide gate & rate myself easily 8/1~ 5/1

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:42 am

I bombed at Laugh Lab, am an officially recognised as one of 19 Candidates in the election for 9 Councillors on the Local Council in early Nobember.

Campaigning for the first time as a candidate is FUN!
I have been invited as are all candidates are to certain public events and lunches, a media soiree with local journalists & the visiting CEO from the Publisher for one of the two local papers.
The public forum for candidates at the Country Club on 5th October is an extremely important event.
It's the public event that makes or breaks candidates, so I am rehearsing my brief speech to the masses & media.
It includes a fiendish verbal political attack on a 2 or 3 term Councillor eho I have decided has to be retired to help make way for my victory, plus this Councillor is a ling term ally of our first term Mayor, a political.opponent up for re~election in a 3 way contest for Mayor.
So I will give the Lady psychologist Mayor a verbal serve as well in my brief speech.

The most fun is initiating conversations anywhere, carparks at the supermarket etc to ask for votes.

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:39 am

Today I lodged my candidate nomination form etc with the South Australian Electoral Commission in person at their office on Light Square, nominations close at noon tomorrow.
I nominated as a candidate for Councillor, vying for one of nine spots, we do not have Wards at the Paradise Lost Cove Council, although towards the end of the next Council's four year term it will have the opportunity to change and have Wards for the 2026 election it's a once every 8 year option, was recommended four/five years ago but not implemented.
There is a seperate election for Mayor.

Waiting now outside Rhino Room for tonight's Laugh Lab, they might let me do a five minute standup comedy spot as Dusty Balzac Bush Philosopher. (no I do not impersonate Octavious our Oracle to get laughs, perhaps I should?)

I might launch my election campaign, reveal my revolutionary political manifesto tonight at Laugh Lab for a hoot.
The Electoral Commission will publish the official list of candidates

Re: Daffy Old MM & Local Council Election

by MajorMitchell » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:55 am

So these other 3 chaps have the high achiever professional skills needed, If I get in, my role is "numbers chap", get the numbers in votes in council meetings, get our team on to committees, control them.

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