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Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:49 pm

No, Ireland waiting another 4 days after the vaccine was approved and blamed training of staff... It is a level of incompetence rivaling that of Boris Johnson's current scam.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by Octavious » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:19 pm

If you are aware of any nation in Europe or America satisfied by their government's response do share. In all honesty I don't think they've done that bad a job all things considered, but delaying the vaccine for the sake of a political unity PR stunt is something I can't for the life of me find any justification for.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:44 pm

They are angry that the centre right government have fucked up the response to the pandemic, in much the same way as I see lots of Brits angry at the aTories.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by Octavious » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:19 pm

It feels exactly the same as the old one. But yes, there are distinct advantages. We didn't end up waiting a few weeks to start vaccinating people for the sake of European unity, for example. Out of curiosity, were people in Ireland angry about that? And if not, why not?

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:25 pm

Happy new year Octavious, I hope you are enjoying the new world! Freedom at last.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by Octavious » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:24 am

Happy new year, all!

I have to admit I'd feared that being consistently wrong about Brexit for the last God knows how many months would have dulled your enthusiasm for posting about the subject. How reassuring to see that it hasn't :-)

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:18 pm

And end to brexit! A beginning to blaming the EU for the terms of the exit deal... Because it seems the never ending BS blaming others is the only strategy left... Good luck UK.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by peterlund » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:53 am

A former Swedish PM's (Carl Bildt) view on the deal.

https://twitter.com/CBildt/status/13421 ... 87585?s=19

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by peterlund » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:26 am

On the news they said that all 27 member governments and the UK Parliament need to approve the deal next week in order for it to be applied by everyone at the border and elsewhere until the final approval needed will be given by the EU Parliament mid-late January.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:13 pm

peterlund wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:14 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:50 pm
 I think you may soon be proven wrong...or are you suggesting this is all for show: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... icials-say
Yes. God bless you. I was wrong! :-)

If all approve it we have a deal. That is good for everyone. Mostly good for UK business and workers and yes it is also good at least on the margin for all people in the EU member states since trade EU <-> UK will be less difficult than with a no-deal solution.

But this trade agreement is STILL NOT AS GOOD for the economy and trade as UK being a full EU member would have been.
But given that the EU Parliament has said they will not approve it until they have time to read it in depth, do we have 'pending approval' status for Jan 1st? I thought Boris said he wouldn't do that...

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by peterlund » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:14 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:50 pm
 I think you may soon be proven wrong...or are you suggesting this is all for show: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... icials-say
Yes. God bless you. I was wrong! :-)

If all approve it we have a deal. That is good for everyone. Mostly good for UK business and workers and yes it is also good at least on the margin for all people in the EU member states since trade EU <-> UK will be less difficult than with a no-deal solution.

But this trade agreement is STILL NOT AS GOOD for the economy and trade as UK being a full EU member would have been.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:24 pm

All we can do is hope.

Finding a way around not having time to ratify is somewhat impressive. I wonder will MEPs pick the text apart and will Westminster do the same? I bet it will be a fair acomplis by the time actual elected officials get to have their say...

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by flash2015 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:50 pm

peterlund wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:56 pm
peterlund wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:30 pm
 Because Boris have been looking for "no-deal" all along, and he is smart enough to set up a scam where he can deny everything in order to try to blame EU for the no-deal result afterwards.
And Boris has been going for no-deal all along because he wants true independence. Boris wants to be allowed to do social dumping and subsidice companies as he wishes. Boris want to be able buy solely from UK companies and disregarding offers of foreign companies when government does purchases.

These are things that are not possible to do if you want to have access to the single market of the EU. Boris wants to become a small pope in 10 Downing street that can hand out benifites to his UK and Russian friends and this is why he go for the no-deal.
I think you may soon be proven wrong...or are you suggesting this is all for show: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... icials-say

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:51 am

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 60033?s=19

What possible value in negotiations could be found by refusing to allow any deal which may be struck actually be implemented?

EU Parliament will not ratify until it has had time to read the text... so If BJ gets his way a no deal is guaranteed.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:18 pm

And now, for something completely different. A 48 hour ban on people travelling to the continent (and to RoI) by plane or ferry...

Which means containers on the back of trucks will be delay (should affect all freight). I think all the bans are temporary while the situation is assessed...

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by peterlund » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:56 pm

peterlund wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:30 pm
 Because Boris have been looking for "no-deal" all along, and he is smart enough to set up a scam where he can deny everything in order to try to blame EU for the no-deal result afterwards.
And Boris has been going for no-deal all along because he wants true independence. Boris wants to be allowed to do social dumping and subsidice companies as he wishes. Boris want to be able buy solely from UK companies and disregarding offers of foreign companies when government does purchases.

These are things that are not possible to do if you want to have access to the single market of the EU. Boris wants to become a small pope in 10 Downing street that can hand out benifites to his UK and Russian friends and this is why he go for the no-deal.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by peterlund » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:50 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:38 pm
 Have they not been billing this as a Australia style deal (aka not having a comprehensive free trade agreement)?
Yes he was using those words, that we may be ending up with a "Australia kind of trade agreement with EU" not a "Canadian kind of trade agreement".

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by Jamiet99uk » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:48 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:38 pm
 Have they not been billing this as a Australia style deal (aka not having a comprehensive free trade agreement)?
That isn't a "deal". That's just trading on WTO terms.

Calling that a "deal" is semantics to fool the press and the gullible Tory voters who would let Boris shove a rusty metal spike up their arses if it had a Union Jack painted on it.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by Jamiet99uk » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:47 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:05 pm
 To be fair, this was the only hand Johnson could have played. He promised to get the better deal so he had to go all out. Let's hope the EU and the UK can still come to some agreement in the next couple of weeks.
No, he promised he *had* a deal. An "oven ready" deal that would be easy to agree.

He was lying. He always lies. He is a corrupt incompetent who cares only about himself.

Re: Port Chaos (UK)

by orathaic » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:38 pm

Have they not been billing this as a Australia style deal (aka not having a comprehensive free trade agreement)?

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