Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by e.m.c^42 » Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:52 pm

jasnah wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:28 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm
jasnah wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:47 pm
Now I go to drown my sadness in fanfiction.
'fess up and link me, my man.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2080878
Classic. I knew you had taste.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:47 am

jasnah wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:28 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm
jasnah wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:47 pm
Now I go to drown my sadness in fanfiction.
'fess up and link me, my man.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2080878
Hodor.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by jasnah » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:28 am

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm
jasnah wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:47 pm
Now I go to drown my sadness in fanfiction.
'fess up and link me, my man.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2080878

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by e.m.c^42 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:38 pm

Vecna wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:12 pm
fucking ghug and his flapping lips
Can't tell if this is claiming an action or an insult. Since it's ghug I'll assume the first, in which case, my condolences about the teeth.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by e.m.c^42 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm

jasnah wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:47 pm
Now I go to drown my sadness in fanfiction.
'fess up and link me, my man.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by e.m.c^42 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:32 pm

Did this finally end? Time to backread if there was anything interesting.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by worcej » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:56 pm

kgray wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:03 pm
Asking bystanders to not get involved is absolutely not the right call. That just puts the burden of correction on the person who is being wronged and can make them feel marginalized and unwelcome. And I'm not trying to speak for Macca here specifically, I don't want to put words in their mouth and I don't know how they feel about this. But in general, I don't know how you think things are going to change if mistakes aren't called out, and it's completely unfair to say that only the person who is directly involved should say anything. It's actually more important that other people say something.
I'll respectfully disagree with your point on this.

When it comes to what someone would like to be referred to, it is explicitly up to that person to correct someone politely, especially in a forum setting where the statement of change can be buried.

In the case of Macca, from what I could tell, no one intentionally belittled or has unwelcomed Macca in any way and are being respectful once they are aware of the non-binary choice. To have someone, in the case it was Jamie, be chastised for his mistake was absolutely unnecessary and unwarranted and I feel he was justified in informing the bystander (in this case you) that you didn't need to come at him how you did, albeit he did it not in that way but the message was there.

The L word was done with friendly reminders. Your response to Jamie was beyond that, thus my statement on patience and bystanders.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by ghug » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:37 pm

Kakarroto wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:26 pm
dargorygel wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:03 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:05 am
By the way, Dargo, you said you changed the flavour last minute ... what was the planned ghug flavour?
I'm not telling... I'll save the original flavour for another game that happens to end with the same players.
ugh, but I don't want to wait 4 years for that ...
Jamie and I end up in like 60% of the endgames, so you're part of the way there.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by Kakarroto » Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:26 pm

dargorygel wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:03 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:05 am
By the way, Dargo, you said you changed the flavour last minute ... what was the planned ghug flavour?
I'm not telling... I'll save the original flavour for another game that happens to end with the same players.
ugh, but I don't want to wait 4 years for that ...

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by dargorygel » Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:28 pm

ghug wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:39 pm
worcej wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:30 pm
kgray wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:30 pm
So for the record, nothing about my aggression was fake. It's frustrating when people don't remember pronouns, but we all make mistakes. What's absolutely infuriating is the dismissive responses to being corrected and the comments that show a general lack of respect and acceptance for other people. We need to be better.
Eh, for what it's worth I do think some patience is necessary and bystanders need to not get involved when someone messes up.

We're not a bunch of malicious people trying to be intentionally rude. Hell, it's taken us quite awhile to phase the L word out...
The reason we were able to phase the L word out was aggressive corrections from bystanders.
... and here I was thinking it was my gentle, understanding, kind nature... :-)

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by kgray » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:03 pm

worcej wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:30 pm
kgray wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:30 pm
So for the record, nothing about my aggression was fake. It's frustrating when people don't remember pronouns, but we all make mistakes. What's absolutely infuriating is the dismissive responses to being corrected and the comments that show a general lack of respect and acceptance for other people. We need to be better.
Eh, for what it's worth I do think some patience is necessary and bystanders need to not get involved when someone messes up.

We're not a bunch of malicious people trying to be intentionally rude. Hell, it's taken us quite awhile to phase the L word out...
I was perfectly patient and I made it very clear that my issue with this particular incident was not the mistake in the first place, but how the correction was received.

Asking bystanders to not get involved is absolutely not the right call. That just puts the burden of correction on the person who is being wronged and can make them feel marginalized and unwelcome. And I'm not trying to speak for Macca here specifically, I don't want to put words in their mouth and I don't know how they feel about this. But in general, I don't know how you think things are going to change if mistakes aren't called out, and it's completely unfair to say that only the person who is directly involved should say anything. It's actually more important that other people say something.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by kgray » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:46 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:40 pm
I am sorry that you didnt get to play much
It's alright, I took it as an undeserved compliment :lol:

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by ghug » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:39 pm

worcej wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:30 pm
kgray wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:30 pm
So for the record, nothing about my aggression was fake. It's frustrating when people don't remember pronouns, but we all make mistakes. What's absolutely infuriating is the dismissive responses to being corrected and the comments that show a general lack of respect and acceptance for other people. We need to be better.
Eh, for what it's worth I do think some patience is necessary and bystanders need to not get involved when someone messes up.

We're not a bunch of malicious people trying to be intentionally rude. Hell, it's taken us quite awhile to phase the L word out...
The reason we were able to phase the L word out was aggressive corrections from bystanders.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by worcej » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:30 pm

kgray wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:30 pm
So for the record, nothing about my aggression was fake. It's frustrating when people don't remember pronouns, but we all make mistakes. What's absolutely infuriating is the dismissive responses to being corrected and the comments that show a general lack of respect and acceptance for other people. We need to be better.
Eh, for what it's worth I do think some patience is necessary and bystanders need to not get involved when someone messes up.

We're not a bunch of malicious people trying to be intentionally rude. Hell, it's taken us quite awhile to phase the L word out...

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by brainbomb » Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:47 pm

there was a moment where it was speculated youd subbed out due to the macca discussion and me knowing you were already dead; I said that it was possible you were fed up

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by brainbomb » Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:40 pm

I am sorry that you didnt get to play much

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by brainbomb » Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:40 pm

to be clear I killed you about 11 minutes into the game because youre good and I didnt want my team to have to deal with you. in no way was any comments I made about your defenses of macca anything to actually do with the issue. I had to play it up as if I had no idea you were dead

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by kgray » Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:30 pm

So for the record, nothing about my aggression was fake. It's frustrating when people don't remember pronouns, but we all make mistakes. What's absolutely infuriating is the dismissive responses to being corrected and the comments that show a general lack of respect and acceptance for other people. We need to be better.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by brainbomb » Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:53 pm

I would ask that the scoring comittee award ghug points as if he won as 3p for overcoming a really terrible GM who did everything they could to out our team.

Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

by brainbomb » Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:50 pm

worcej wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:08 pm
dargorygel wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:07 pm
First of all... curses on you all for changing my final flavor.

Any mistakes that remain are due to hasty editing.
Distant cheers ring out down the hallway. It's hard to make out, but it sounds like 4 people shouting 'MVP' over and over again...
WHAT?????
we actually won??
sorry

ghug actually won????

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