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Re: Trump supports genocide

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:53 pm

civwarbuff wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:50 pm
 Moving the majority of population out of Gaza and then getting them in order to get back in is one of the possible solutions here and probably the most attractive solution at this point.
Trump's proposal is to remove the population of Gaza *permanently*, not to allow them back.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:50 pm

Moving the majority of population out of Gaza and then getting them in order to get back in is one of the possible solutions here and probably the most attractive solution at this point.

Hamas can never again have a place in government. Gaza is being de-nazified and such must be brought to its completion.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:51 am

What happened on October 7th was a Jewish action, make no mistake.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by CaptainFritz28 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:38 am

"Denazification"?

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:37 am

Hamas must be destroyed amidst this, as well. The denazification of Gaza must and will be attained that way.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:43 pm

So, that is just completely wrong, unfortunately.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:39 pm

Hi,

Actually it is. See Netanyahu here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPWNO7KFvs

His discussion on it begins at 2:30, or so.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Jamiet99uk » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:06 pm

civwarbuff wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:28 pm
 The idea with the Gaza proposal is to rotate out the population which is willing to depart in order that Gaza be able to be rebuilt and made livable again at the end of the war. Hamas must be destroyed though as a pre-condition. That certainly must be brought to fruition as a necessary condition.

It is nice to see you again Jamiet btw.
You too.

But that isn't the proposal. Trump has proposed removing the population of Gaza permanently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn57neepx4vo

No right of return.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by civwarbuff » Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:28 pm

The idea with the Gaza proposal is to rotate out the population which is willing to depart in order that Gaza be able to be rebuilt and made livable again at the end of the war. Hamas must be destroyed though as a pre-condition. That certainly must be brought to fruition as a necessary condition.

It is nice to see you again Jamiet btw.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Esquire Bertissimmo » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:16 pm

Yeah, Trump's plan to directly use the US military to ethnically cleanse Gaza is worse than what came before and deserves condemnation.

I've also been critical of former Biden approach, including in this forum, partly in response to diligent reminders from Jamie about how bad things have gotten there. I condemn the former approach, but that doesn't make me confused about whether Trump's proposal is much worse.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:15 pm

(And Starmer in the UK too. The UK and US gave Israel a free pass to engage in widespread war crimes).

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:14 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:06 pm
Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:59 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:44 pm
After letting Israel flatten Gaza for 16 months and only a couple of days before he left we finally got at least a temporary cease fire (hopefully it lasts). That's it. That is all he achieved.
Okay, but what I'm hearing is you don't like Trump's plan, but are also agnostic about whether ethnically cleansing 2 million Gazans is just as good of a plan as where we were mere weeks ago?
A few weeks ago Israel were flattening Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocents. It is largely irrelevant whatever Biden did in the last few days of his administration. If he actually have a shit, he could have put pressure on Israel to make the ceasefire happen way earlier.
Strongly agree with this. Biden and Harris were weak as shit on Israel.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by flash2015 » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:08 pm

We have people coming out NOW complaining about how bad Trump's plan is.

Where the fuck were you for the last 16 months???

Re: Trump supports genocide

by flash2015 » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:06 pm

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:59 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:44 pm
Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:33 pm
 Maybe I'm a little confused. Despite the appalling Biden approach to all this, the status quo was yielding a ceasefire that, if it held, would have eventually supported the re-building of Gaza while Gaza's residents remained there. That's much more consistent with the end goal of a two state solution than ethnically cleansing the area.
After letting Israel flatten Gaza for 16 months and only a couple of days before he left we finally got at least a temporary cease fire (hopefully it lasts). That's it. That is all he achieved.
Okay, but what I'm hearing is you don't like Trump's plan, but are also agnostic about whether ethnically cleansing 2 million Gazans is just as good of a plan as where we were mere weeks ago?
A few weeks ago Israel were flattening Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocents. It is largely irrelevant whatever Biden did in the last few days of his administration. If he actually have a shit, he could have put pressure on Israel to make the ceasefire happen way earlier.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Esquire Bertissimmo » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:59 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:44 pm
Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:33 pm
 Maybe I'm a little confused. Despite the appalling Biden approach to all this, the status quo was yielding a ceasefire that, if it held, would have eventually supported the re-building of Gaza while Gaza's residents remained there. That's much more consistent with the end goal of a two state solution than ethnically cleansing the area.
After letting Israel flatten Gaza for 16 months and only a couple of days before he left we finally got at least a temporary cease fire (hopefully it lasts). That's it. That is all he achieved.
Okay, but what I'm hearing is you don't like Trump's plan, but are also agnostic about whether ethnically cleansing 2 million Gazans is just as good of a plan as where we were mere weeks ago?

Re: Trump supports genocide

by flash2015 » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:49 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:30 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:12 pm
 I don't want this ethnic cleansing to happen...but to get Gaza back to a liveable functional state will require billions and billions of dollars.

Who would fund this? Israel? US? Arab nations? The EU?
Israel should pay for it.
Sure, and it should have been something that was mandated on them before they started hostilities. You destroy it, you rebuild it.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by flash2015 » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:44 pm

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:33 pm
 Maybe I'm a little confused. Despite the appalling Biden approach to all this, the status quo was yielding a ceasefire that, if it held, would have eventually supported the re-building of Gaza while Gaza's residents remained there. That's much more consistent with the end goal of a two state solution than ethnically cleansing the area.
After letting Israel flatten Gaza for 16 months and only a couple of days before he left we finally got at least a temporary cease fire (hopefully it lasts). That's it. That is all he achieved.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Esquire Bertissimmo » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:30 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:12 pm
 I don't want this ethnic cleansing to happen...but to get Gaza back to a liveable functional state will require billions and billions of dollars.

Who would fund this? Israel? US? Arab nations? The EU?
Israel should pay for it.
In a just world, Iran would pay for much of it as well.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Esquire Bertissimmo » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:33 pm

Maybe I'm a little confused. Despite the appalling Biden approach to all this, the status quo was yielding a ceasefire that, if it held, would have eventually supported the re-building of Gaza while Gaza's residents remained there. That's much more consistent with the end goal of a two state solution than ethnically cleansing the area.

Re: Trump supports genocide

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:30 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:12 pm
 I don't want this ethnic cleansing to happen...but to get Gaza back to a liveable functional state will require billions and billions of dollars.

Who would fund this? Israel? US? Arab nations? The EU?
Israel should pay for it.

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