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Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:15 am

kingofthepirates wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:52 am
CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:35 pm
 It's plenty warm down here in Texas. Honestly, it'd be kind of nice to see a bit of snow every once in a while.
My guy you are about to be blown away when I show you this awesome state, it's called alaska, and get this: theres snow EVERYWHERE!!
Whoa... you mean like more than an eight of an inch of slush that's just enough to make drivers forget how brakes work but not good for getting a snow day or doing anything interesting with it?

Could it be... is it really... does the fabled white Christmas truly exist?

Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:13 am

kingofthepirates wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:49 am
CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:34 pm
 Did you know that everyone who ever mixed up correlation and causation ended up dead?
not me! I've mixed them up a bunch before, and I'm still alive and kicking! Also to my knowledge, everyone who ever lived ended up dead so like... this isn't really news boyo!
(If you've played Hades, imagine the last phrase after the "..." in Skelly's voice)
[humor post]
I feel like you missed the sarcasm...

Re: Trust the experts

by kingofthepirates » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:52 am

CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:35 pm
 It's plenty warm down here in Texas. Honestly, it'd be kind of nice to see a bit of snow every once in a while.
My guy you are about to be blown away when I show you this awesome state, it's called alaska, and get this: theres snow EVERYWHERE!!

Re: Trust the experts

by kingofthepirates » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:49 am

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:01 pm
 Make Winter Warm Again!
the southern hemisphere would like to have a word...

Re: Trust the experts

by kingofthepirates » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:49 am

CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:34 pm
 Did you know that everyone who ever mixed up correlation and causation ended up dead?
not me! I've mixed them up a bunch before, and I'm still alive and kicking! Also to my knowledge, everyone who ever lived ended up dead so like... this isn't really news boyo!
(If you've played Hades, imagine the last phrase after the "..." in Skelly's voice)
[humor post]

Re: Trust the experts

by kingofthepirates » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:43 am

surprisingly good ai art to be fair, but the cap sold it all away

Re: Trust the experts

by kingofthepirates » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:43 am

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:51 pm
 Got to increase those carbon emissions...

Image
ai art? ew cringe :sick:

Re: Trust the experts

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:42 pm

Fluminator wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:21 pm
 We must start increasing our CO2 emissions to accomplish this.
Trump is heavily in favour of massive increases in pollution, so America is likely to achieve this.

Re: Trust the experts

by flash2015 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:51 pm

Got to increase those carbon emissions...

Image

Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:35 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:01 pm
 Make Winter Warm Again!
It's plenty warm down here in Texas. Honestly, it'd be kind of nice to see a bit of snow every once in a while.

Re: Trust the experts

by Fluminator » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:21 pm

We must start increasing our CO2 emissions to accomplish this.

Re: Trust the experts

by flash2015 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:20 pm

Image

Re: Trust the experts

by flash2015 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:01 pm

Make Winter Warm Again!

Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:34 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:34 pm
 I see large numbers of people wearing winter coats, scarves, and hats at this time of year. What a bunch of sheep! I did my own research online and found out that only 8,800 people died of hypothermia in the UK last year. That's only 0.012% of the population! They live in fear of something 99.988% of people won't die from!

What's even worse - some of the people who died of hypothermia were wearing a coat!! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! Stop listening to the "experts".
Coats don't work!
Did you know that everyone who ever mixed up correlation and causation ended up dead?

I do hope you don't think this is actually a good analogy lol, but I suppose it's a nice attempt at humor. This thread could use some more of that.

Re: Trust the experts

by Fluminator » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:34 pm
 I see large numbers of people wearing winter coats, scarves, and hats at this time of year. What a bunch of sheep! I did my own research online and found out that only 8,800 people died of hypothermia in the UK last year. That's only 0.012% of the population! They live in fear of something 99.988% of people won't die from!

What's even worse - some of the people who died of hypothermia were wearing a coat!! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! Stop listening to the "experts".
Coats don't work!
I wear a coat to stay warm, not to avoid death.

Re: Trust the experts

by Fluminator » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:42 pm

With regard to water fluoridation - Very much against it. The city I live stopped doing that (Calgary).
There's a faction trying to get it back in but it's being delayed.

Re: Trust the experts

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:34 pm

I see large numbers of people wearing winter coats, scarves, and hats at this time of year. What a bunch of sheep! I did my own research online and found out that only 8,800 people died of hypothermia in the UK last year. That's only 0.012% of the population! They live in fear of something 99.988% of people won't die from!

What's even worse - some of the people who died of hypothermia were wearing a coat!! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! Stop listening to the "experts".
Coats don't work!

Re: Trust the experts

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:47 am

Fluminator wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:14 am
kingofthepirates wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:07 am
 I wanna ask this for those who advocate against the immediate push: what do you do later when it's revealed you could've pushed the vaccine and lives would be saved? How would you respond to the inevitable backlash?

It's kind of a lose-lose here politically, no? On the one hand, if you push immediately, the opposition gives you shit for not accounting for side effects. if you push late, the opposition gives you shit for not pushing and saving lives. Personally, if I'm going to lose anyway, I'd save as many people as I can while going down (ie. mandate, push immediately). Looking at the numbers, there is are objectively fewer COVID deaths from vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated.

How about you guys? What's the solution here?
I'm a strong believer in free will and bodily autonomy. People should be allowed to make mistakes. If I had the power to save someone by forcefeeding them a drug, and they very clearly told me they didn't want me to do that, I wouldn't, as hard as that would be.

If I assume your entire premise is correct and the covid vaccine was a net benefit to society, I still think it was the wrong move as it sets the precedent for government overreach and it would only be a matter of time before the corporations make a drug that does hurt more people than it helps.

There's a line and it is an interesting discussion to have where the line is, but forcing people to routinely inject themselves with a pharmaceutical drug is past the line for me.
Do you object to water fluoridation also?

Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:52 am

kingofthepirates wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:07 am
 I wanna ask this for those who advocate against the immediate push: what do you do later when it's revealed you could've pushed the vaccine and lives would be saved? How would you respond to the inevitable backlash?

It's kind of a lose-lose here politically, no? On the one hand, if you push immediately, the opposition gives you shit for not accounting for side effects. if you push late, the opposition gives you shit for not pushing and saving lives. Personally, if I'm going to lose anyway, I'd save as many people as I can while going down (ie. mandate, push immediately). Looking at the numbers, there is are objectively fewer COVID deaths from vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated.

How about you guys? What's the solution here?
I think it was a mistake to think that vaccines were our only option from the start. There were multiple medicinal solutions which all clinical trials indicated had positive effect, and which has now been proven through studies to have effect similar to or better than the vaccines without the adverse effects.

In engineering they tell us that the first course of action should be to figure out what the actual problem is and if the resources that you currently have can solve it. The government didn't do that, and I think that was the first large mistake.

Re: Trust the experts

by CaptainFritz28 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:44 am

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:57 pm
CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:41 pm
 Meanwhile, reported adverse effects of the vaccines, including death, were sky high, thousands of times higher than any other vaccine. I get that those numbers can't be taken at face value, but you don't need to do that to see a huge noticeable difference between the harm caused by other vaccines and the covid vaccines.
Where are you getting this info from? The side effects of the vaccines were definitely downplayed which I don't believe has helped trust in the vaccines. However to my understanding saying that the side effects were "thousands of times higher than any other vaccine" is a wild exaggeration.
That's just reported adverse effects, not vetted or investigated. I got it from VAERS and whatever the UK's equivalent is. The numbers can't be taken on their own, but the fact that more adverse effects, and three times more deaths, were reported from just the covid vaccines within a year than all other vaccines since 1990 warrants a great deal of caution.

But no, I don't exaggerate. However, again, that is reported, not necessarily actual, numbers.

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