Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

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Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by cormorant » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:55 pm

If it were only Pennsylvania and only one time that might make sense. But this is a consistent strategy and part of an array of tactics the Republicans use to try and suppress urban and minority votes. Republicans know where Democrats tend to live, this is targeted.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/29/st ... ty-voting/
and not a new story
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/65978427 ... alist-says

These kind of efforts ramped up by Republicans after they repealed parts of the 1965 Voting Rights Acts. Which was designed to permit discrimination on the basis of race.
https://www.propublica.org/article/voti ... -state-map

Here's Trump trying to throw out votes in urban Wisconsin
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 437897002/

And here's Republicans trying to throw out Democratic votes in Texas
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/p ... icans.html

Ohio makes voting difficult and inaccessible for urban voters
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/el ... s-turnout/

This not something both parties do in the United States, and there are definitely more examples.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Octavious » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:49 am

It does, but it is not convincing. The vast majority of black votes across the US were not treated in that way. The reason Pennsylvania was selected for various actions was simply because it was close, and I suspect because Republican internal polling suggested they should have won. Those news outlets did not mention black people because they did not consider it a racial story either.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by cormorant » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:49 am

Octavious wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:43 pm
I don't believe that black people or people of colour are mentioned in either article.

It would be helpful, perhaps, if you translated your first line into English. Maybe I'm missing something in the question.
did PM BJ block CNBC and NPR =
Did prime minister Boris Johnson block access to 2 US news outlets?

The context you may be missing is that Black Americans vote Democratic by about 9:1 and are mostly concentrated in Urban areas. Urban areas as a whole are about 7:3 Democratic.

Starting in 2018, more Dems began to vote by mail for a variety of reasons, especially to combat Republican vote suppression strategies of engineering long wait times in urban polling places. So that is why they did not want to count the mail in vote in Pennsylvania.

There are other states where similar things happened in 2020. The sabotage of the USPost Office was part of the strategy. Does that make sense?

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by orathaic » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:19 am

micha wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:35 pm
orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Black and Hispanic people are disproportionately affected https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e1.htm

“ Disparities in COVID-19 incidence and deaths among Hispanic persons and other underrepresented racial and ethnic groups are well documented”
Yes, certainly. There is no denying that societal systemic racism has for many years left non-white Americans worse of both financially, and medically.

As a result, you see lower life expectancy (particularly in indigenous populations), and move working class individuals whose jobs prohibit working from home. Both medically and financially they will die more from covid. However historic lower life expectancy means many of them have already been killed and this will not figure into the figures for elderly white folks dying from covid.

Not having any choice but to go to work (even during a pandemic) is not as bad as slavery, but it is still pretty fucked up.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Octavious » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:43 pm

I don't believe that black people or people of colour are mentioned in either article.

It would be helpful, perhaps, if you translated your first line into English. Maybe I'm missing something in the question.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by cormorant » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:32 pm

Octavious wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:18 pm
micha wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Here’s Republicans literally demanding that Black votes shouldn’t count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/2020-pr ... vania.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrecti ... lege-count
Where?
Did PM BJ block NPR and CNBC ?
Republican elected officials objected to counting the votes in Pennslyvania before mail in (disproportionately urban, black) votes were counted.

Also in Georgia and Arizona

This was in conjuction with the attempted coup on Jan 6
https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrecti ... lege-count

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Octavious » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:18 pm

micha wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Here’s Republicans literally demanding that Black votes shouldn’t count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/2020-pr ... vania.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrecti ... lege-count
Where?

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Matticus13 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:18 pm

micha wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Octavious wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 pm
orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm


Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Of course it's not true. The idea that Democrats, ethnic minorities, and the less well off not counting to Republicans is pure political bigotry with no basis in reality.
Here’s Republicans literally demanding that Black votes shouldn’t count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/2020-pr ... vania.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrecti ... lege-count
Yes, we know both sides are full of bigots. A well established fact. What does that have to do with who died of COVID-19?

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by cormorant » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:46 pm

Octavious wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 pm
orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Of course it's not true. The idea that Democrats, ethnic minorities, and the less well off not counting to Republicans is pure political bigotry with no basis in reality.
Here’s Republicans literally demanding that Black votes shouldn’t count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/2020-pr ... vania.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrecti ... lege-count

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by cormorant » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:35 pm

orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Black and Hispanic people are disproportionately affected https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e1.htm

“ Disparities in COVID-19 incidence and deaths among Hispanic persons and other underrepresented racial and ethnic groups are well documented”

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Octavious » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 pm

orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Of course it's not true. The idea that Democrats, ethnic minorities, and the less well off not counting to Republicans is pure political bigotry with no basis in reality. As for whether most deaths are from Democrats, it's impossible to say. Although I share your suspicion that the age demographic makes it more likely that Republican leaning populations have fared somewhat worse.

I'd be astounded if neither Democrats nor Republicans saw prisoners as people. But obviously they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by orathaic » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:07 am

Flash, that doesn't include anywhere near enough data to answer my question.

According to this https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... #AgeAndSex
The US has had 279k deaths in over 65s.

that is ~70% of all deaths.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Matticus13 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:59 am

Why is the pot not decriminalized? I demand that more important matters be put on hold immediately.

Those former wall builders and Keystone XL Pipeline employees are gonna need a little pick-me-up after losing their jerbs. HE TOOK THEIR JERBS!

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by flash2015 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:34 am

orathaic wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).
Yes

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... icity.html

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by orathaic » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:18 pm

Randomizer wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm
But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.
Can that be true? A real failure if so. My understanding is that the elderly vote Republican and die from Covid. So managing to kill more young Democrats means they have been put at risk, forced to work, commute, and study in unsafe environments, to prop up the profits of a few billionaires.

I would be surprised, though not too surprised (also, however many deaths in prisons I'm pretty sure neither Democrats nor Republicans count convicts as people, or let them vote).

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Randomizer » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:12 pm

But most of the US deaths were Democrats. persons of color, and poor so they don't count in Republican minds.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by MajorMitchell » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 pm

Hoorah, a sensible POTUS after the Trumptoad disaster. Wonderful to see Kamala Harris dressed like Lisa from The Simpsons and being sworn in as Vice President. Hallelujah Pilgrims rejoice in serving under POTUS Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.
Now of Duetsche Bank & others call.in their loans Trumptoad & family are into insolvency/ bankruptcy territory.
Trumptoad's negligence has killed more US citizens than the Nazis and Japanese did in WW2, that's a standout achievement​ for any POTUS, be responsible for more US citizens killed than Hitler. No wonder Trump appeals to fascists.

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by flash2015 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:59 pm

Matticus13 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:29 pm
You did it! A 78 year old, white guy millionaire is finally President! The progress you fought so hard for on Facebook and Twitter is reality.
USA! USA! USA!

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by peterlund » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:24 am

Crazy Anglican wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:13 am
After the last few weeks, I’m glad of the peaceful transition of power.
"few weeks" only?

I have been holding my breath 4 years now!

Re: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US President

by Crazy Anglican » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:13 am

After the last few weeks, I’m glad of the peaceful transition of power.

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