All aboard the Biden train!!

by **orathaic** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:44 am

Should definitely form a reupicIican party and run as a 3rd party candidate so...
Especially if the Republicans don't want to run. Just make sure to run on an anti-imperial platform!

by **flash2015** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:48 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:01 pm
It is still a choice though, right?

But if that is the case about independents, what does wikipedia mean when it says this: "He is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history, although he has a close relationship with the Democratic Party," - Bernie Sanders

A choice that is almost impossible to make a difference isn't a real choice. Y

That is the Senate, I was talking about the House. Yes you have two independents in two small northeastern states, Angus King (Maine) was a former Democrat governor turned independent and there is Bernie (Vermont). There is only one Bernie... :)

Even if you count these two it still only gets you to 3 out of 535.

Both parties actively work to get independents or small parties off ballots. Look how Democrats have been working hard via lawsuits to get the Green party candidate off the presidential ballot. Similarly the Republicans have been working hard to get rid of Libertarians from ballots too.

by **orathaic** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:01 pm

It is still a choice though, right?

But if that is the case about independents, what does wikipedia mean when it says this: "He is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history, although he has a close relationship with the Democratic Party," - Bernie Sanders

by **flash2015** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:07 pm

One reason why they have to be raising money all the time is due to the Supreme Court striking down McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform in 2010 (Citizen's United - a 5-4 decision with all the for justices nominated by Republicans). The conservative Supreme Court did further damage to campaign finance laws with the McCutcheon v. FEC decision in 2014.

Yet another reason why the Supreme Court is so important.

by **flash2015** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:11 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:20 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm
You could alwaysrun yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...
I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.
I get that, hence my suggestion that an independent candidate provide choice. Living in a two party system must really suck, it turns out there are more than two options.

Living in a system with PR-STV, I usually don't have to think about it, because we have multiple far right parties scrambling to win any % of the right wing vote, and multi-seat constituencies, so even the major (centre right) parties run multiple candidates without hurting each other...

Out of 435 House Members there is one independent/Libertarian (John Amash). The only reason he is independent is because he left the Republican party earlier this year. There is little or no chance given the current electoral system for people outside the main two parties to gain election.

Once they get to Washington, the primary job of a successful congressperson in the US is not making laws but raising money, they each spend several hours each day on the phones raising money for the next election.

by **orathaic** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:20 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm
You could alwaysrun yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...
I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.

I get that, hence my suggestion that an independent candidate provide choice. Living in a two party system must really suck, it turns out there are more than two options.

Living in a system with PR-STV, I usually don't have to think about it, because we have multiple far right parties scrambling to win any % of the right wing vote, and multi-seat constituencies, so even the major (centre right) parties run multiple candidates without hurting each other...

by **flash2015** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:34 am

micha wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:07 am

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm

You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...
I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.
Not everyone lives in a competitive congressional district, but as a whole districting on the federal and state level has worked against Democrats.

Surely you agree that’s not the main thing at stake in this upcoming election?

No, I am not saying it is the most important thing in this election, just one of many issues with the US electoral system.

by **cormorant** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:07 am

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.
You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...
I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.

Not everyone lives in a competitive congressional district, but as a whole districting on the federal and state level has worked against Democrats.

Surely you agree that’s not the main thing at stake in this upcoming election?

by **flash2015** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.
You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...

I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.

by **orathaic** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.

You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...

by **cormorant** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:46 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.

2018 in my district a holocaust denier ran as the Republican so count your blessings.

What are you and your circle doing to push the needle in the run up to this most crucial election?

by **flash2015** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm

In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.

by **flash2015** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:35 pm

Crazy Anglican wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:05 pm
Georgia, no real surprise, but there was some thought we might go blue this time.

You never know. It still isn't that far off. Fivethirtyeight currently gives Sleepy Joe better than a 1 in 3 chance of winning of winning Georgia.

I think at least partially the differences in signs could be due to the reasons why people are voting. At least from what I have experiences a lot of President Chaos voters absolutely love him and they are not shy about showing it...while democrat voters are energized to vote primarily by their dislike for President Chaos rather than their love for Sleepy Joe.

Trump supporters have been very active in my district (multiple rallies, fireworks, waking up the neighbourhood with their cars with muffler issues, another Trump car rally planned for October 3rd)...even though the chances of them flipping it are somewhere between buckleys and none.

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by **New England Fire Squad** » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:27 am

Crazy Anglican wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm
Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.

Depends on where you live. In my town, it's pretty much all Trump. If I drive to the college town 20 minutes away, there's only blm and Biden signs.

by **Crazy Anglican** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:05 pm

Georgia, no real surprise, but there was some thought we might go blue this time.

by **flash2015** » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:37 pm

Crazy Anglican wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm
Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.

Can I ask which state are you in?

by **Octavious** » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:01 pm

Can you usually make any judgements from that in the States? In the UK the left wing always has greater numbers in terms of volunteers and members of the public willing to put up posters. Partly because left wingers are impressively pro-active, and partly because Tory supporters are afraid lefties will see a Tory poster and lob a brick through their window. As such it's always been very hard to tell anything from a boots on the ground perspective here.

by **Crazy Anglican** » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm

Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.

by **Crazy Anglican** » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:43 pm

Okay I am getting worried about the number of Biden - Harris signs I am not seeing.

All aboard the Biden train!!

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